Why do so many Americans support such a destructive war? - Help.com

Because of powerful advertisement and the false image of allowing thoses “poor oppressed people” live the American dream. It’s sick and sad really.

Iraq has been such a huge disaster for America and for Britain.

I second that!
The war, that is.
War is good for breaking old toys and making your parents buy you new ones to replace the broken.

And yes, I do! Because 1*0=250*0=0.

You act like most americans support this war. I relize some do. But you make it sound much much more, and americans protest this war you know.? You cant speak for the american people [neither can I] but ALOT of americans protest this war. Are you american, do you live in the USA? Because you might [no you need to] need to live here to understand it better.

In fact, I enjoy war so much I’m going to recruit next year and die on the field so people like you can compare me to my slain enemies.

miamidf wrote:
You act like most americans support this war. I relize some do. But you make it sound much much more, and americans protest this war you know.? You cant speak for the american people [neither can I] but ALOT of americans protest this war. Are you american, do you live in the USA? Because you might [no you need to] need to live here to understand it better.

I don’t represent anybody other than myself. I hate Americans.
I live a few dozen kilometers away from a battlefield, so don’t you tell me ship about understanding it better.

Anonymous wrote:
[quote miamidf]
I don’t represent anybody other than myself. I hate Americans.
I live a few dozen kilometers away from a battlefield, so don’t you tell me ship about understanding it better.

May i ask why you hate americans? OMG your so dumb IF your at an american battlefield of course it will seem that way! Because thats the people supporting it by going there. Do you not understand that over here in the us people are PROTESTING this war? Come over here to the US and see how many people dont like this war! I can understand how you think that. But you dont know that MOST of the american population [in the USA] dont like this war! Come over here and tell me this ******* ****.

spiratec9 wrote:
i believe America has a heart of gold but at the momment it seems
to be hidding.

America is a country. It doesn’t have a heart, nor body to hide a heart in.

scare tactics/ fear mongering has alot to do with it in my opinion. Which were huge tools of the last administration, who ironically were tools themselves :)

miamidf wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
[quote miamidf]
I don’t represent anybody other than myself. I hate Americans.
I live a few dozen kilometers away from a battlefield, so don’t you tell me ship about understanding it better.

May i ask why you hate americans? OMG your so dumb IF your at an american battlefield of course it will seem that way! Because thats the people supporting it by going there. Do you not understand that over here in the us people are PROTESTING this war? Come over here to the US and see how many people dont like this war! I can understand how you think that. But you dont know that MOST of the american population [in the USA] dont like this war! Come over here and tell me this ******* ****.

No, you may not.
I’m not in an American battlefield. I’m a third side in this particular world.
I really don’t give a **** about what ‘most of the American population’ thinks. If they don’t want this war to continue, then let them form a great wall between the fighting sides, or elect some president who will put an immediate stop to the war, I don’t care. But as for me, I will do what I feel like doing because I can.

spiratec9 wrote:
Can you imagine killing anyone of the people is this picture:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chi…

They are all from Iraq.

If it is my duty, then I must and shall. Every single one.
However, one that does so is put to trial. So it won’t be my duty under the current circumstances.

Anonymous wrote:
No, you may not.
I’m not in an American battlefield. I’m a third side in this particular world.
I really don’t give a **** about what ‘most of the American population’ thinks. If they don’t want this war to continue, then let them form a great wall between the fighting sides, or elect some president who will put an immediate stop to the war, I don’t care. But as for me, I will do what I feel like doing because I can.

Really? You act like you can talk for us!? The american people cant just pull them out! And we did elect a president thats doing that! You just dont pull everyone out at once! You pull them out slowly. And our pres. is pulling them out thank you anonymous *****.

O wait was i anonymous no thats you my bad /\

Anonymous wrote:
Really? You act like you can talk for us!? The american people cant just pull them out! And we did elect a president thats doing that! You just dont pull everyone out at once! You pull them out slowly. And our pres. is pulling them out thank you anonymous *****.

Anonymous wrote:
I don’t represent anybody other than myself.

So what’s your point?

spiratec9 wrote:
Don’t you realize that killing people brings terrible Karma onto yourself.

Well, sure it does. So I’m gonna be struck by lightning or something, right? And then I’ll go to hell, right? Yes, I’d very much like to see that.

The war that ended in Iraq as I see it, was more of a hollow victory for Americans. I don’t think we gained much or proved anything except that America is a vengeful nation that will persistently fight and disregard the ongoing casualty rate until the opposition is completely destroyed. Nonetheless, I am still proud to be an American along with my all of my compatriots.

Well lets see what happened the Iraq’s have elected a government to represent the people. They have jobs and a working economy. Schools are open to all that want to go. Democracy is starting to become the way of the country. Freedom is never free and people will die in war. Just remember that someone died so you can have the freedom to disagree with what the government is doing. Hope this helps :-)

I think that a root problem is that Americans, predominately Christian, view the war as a religious war against Muslims.

Let’s get this straight. For anyone who wants to lay claim to hating Americans - Know that it is a racist and unacceptable comment, and hardly in the name of pacifism, don’t you agree?

Now - I tell you what I do hate; I hate the fact that the American Goverement have acted against the will of their people. Since 2001, many independant surveys were conducted, and the general outcome was that the MAJORITY of Americans were against the invasion. Secondly - other then a small minority, those who supported the war did so, because they believe that the Iraqis were desperately in need of liberation and without American intervention they would never be able to hold any “westernised ideals”. So if you disagree with American Foreign Policy, or Domestic Policy then please refer to it as such, and not make radical statements such as “I hate Americans” - This is simply not fair, and completely undermining your good intensions.

Now - Understand the real reasons for invasion is a much more difficult question to answer, but if you care enough, or as much as you seem to, then I would recommend reading “Failed States” By “Noam Chomsky” and - in fact, there are such a massive range of media you could consider reading to get an idea of how it works, but first you really need to understand more about American History, from the Invasion of Florida in 1818 right up to Iraq in 2001. Also learning about American Economics would be benifical (in relations to the creation of money by the US Federal Reserve) and how this money is then distrubed.

I could go on for hours…

Peace
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miamidf wrote:
You act like most americans support this war. I relize some do. But you make it sound much much more, and americans protest this war you know.? You cant speak for the american people [neither can I] but ALOT of americans protest this war. Are you american, do you live in the USA? Because you might [no you need to] need to live here to understand it better.

Absolutely true. I witnessed protests in Washington, DC just last week counter-protesting the war (and it was a decent-sized crowed, too), it’s no fringe movement in the United States to end the war. The rally cry: John Lennon.

spiratec9 wrote:

RTD wrote:
I would recommend reading “Failed States” By “Noam Chomsky”…
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Great book- read it. Take a look at other Chomsky books too.

If you’re opposed to the war then there isn’t really much to discuss when your opinion is not only formed but also set as yours seems to be. Frankly, there are valid reasons to support the war just as there are valid reasons to oppose it.

spiratec9 wrote:

Belief wrote:
If you’re opposed to the war then there isn’t really much to discuss when your opinion is not only formed but also set as yours seems to be. Frankly, there are valid reasons to support the war just as there are valid reasons to oppose it.

Its a question of placing a value on human life even if they Iragis.

The reality of war is that there are causalities, otherwise it wouldn’t be called war, it might be called play.

I’m american so i can truely say a lot of americans are ignorant to things going on around the world so a lot of it is ignorance. and Obama is trying to pull the troops out i believe

Obama will do what he thinks is best for the country, I am sure, regardless of whether the troops stay in or not. This doesn’t necessarily mean there is a ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ answer to the question of whether or not troops should stay in Afghanistan.

Personally, for my own reasons, I want them out, but only our commander-in-chief can make the final decision.

good reading rtd, i agree with a lot of what you say, but are,nt in your view zimbabweans also in need of outside help that there don,t seem to be getting? is it more to do with oil, rather than people, what is your view on this.

2008butc wrote:
good reading rtd, i agree with a lot of what you say, but are,nt in your view zimbabweans also in need of outside help that there don,t seem to be getting? is it more to do with oil, rather than people, what is your view on this.

Hi,

You are certainly correct in thinking that this isn’t just a Failed State, that the United States saw as, “in need of liberation”. Otherwise absolutely correct, Zimbabwe would be the one of the top of the list. Of course, the Regime in Zimbabwe has nothing to fear, other then occasionally being offical;y comdemned by the West. Why? Lack of resource.

First you have to understand that America was hugely involved in securing Sudam Hussain as the supreme ruler of Iraq. American-Iraqi co-operation existed, and could be described as fruitful until 1991, when Suddam Husain refused to comply with American Demands.

Without going to heavily into it, the point I am making is that Suddam Husain has always been Cruel to his people. They have been oppressed and lacking human rights since he came to power, and, up until 1991, they enjoyed the luxery of western money. It was (I believe, but please correct me if i’m wrong) in 1991 when Iraq made its way onto the CIA’s list of Failed States.

America’s foreign policies have never been anti-dictatorships or pro-human rights. They have only ever been interested in one thing; being pro-American. When a goverment no longer complies with this, action is taken to overthrow the goverment, and to instill another which is. This can be seen in all 14 cases of toppling foreign governments (and this is only including those which were done successfully).

Read “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by “John Perkins”. It’s a very interesting book =).

Anyway enough waffling on…

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Am I the only one who has no faith in Obama? He’s certainly very charismatic, but can any outline anything positive he is currently doing for America? =/.

seems hypocritical to me that usa and britain take it on themselves to police the world and offer dire consequences to anyone that falls out of line, yet they are free to do what they like more or less, mostly unchecked. rid the world of w/m/d,s then no country in the world, although i think they have the right to,would want to build them, if the american or english presidencies did become as ruthless to its own people, as say saddam hussein was to his, do you really think that any nation on earth would invade them for it,s people welfare, live and let live, peace on earth, to all you world leaders, keep your own houses in order, don,t concern yourseves with what next door is doing, its none of your buisness,who pokes there noses into americas affairs, no one return the favour, you wan,t to all unite and sought out this global warming thing, give all the bickering a rest, and bettween you make this world a better place for all the children in the world

Even with the recession compared to most homes, America is pretty tidy, even with said recession there is still ridiculous amounts of immigration. I would hope that if my neighbor as you say, were to beat his spouse that I would not stand idly by and simply listen. I would hope that if the American or British governments devolved to some sort of barbaric Hessein-esque countries that someone would help its peoples. That you think countries are entitled to weapons of mass destruction only serves to display how utterly flawed your reasoning is. In an ideal world no country would have them, not America or any other.

i totally agree with you, but is it right for a country with these weopons to tell another country it cannot have them, when they only want them because other countries got them, i agree with you on that usa is still tidy with ridiculous immigration, as it is here in the uk, i have become practically an ethnic minority in my own country, and have no problem with this, in this respect i agree we are the most caring countries in the world, would you also agree, if we rid our nations of wmd,s, we wouldn,t have to police the rest of the world trying to obtain them, because they would not wan,t them, and that the time energy and money wasted in these areas could be put to better use all around the world ps i love my country and would die for it, but that don,t mean, we are allways right all of the time, would you agree that if the war in afghanistan goes on for the next 50 years there is anything whatsoever to be gained from it, no winners or losers, another nam, i dont know i am just an oordinary guy who reads the papers and watches the news and understand alot of what i see and read is propaganda,

Anonymous wrote:
Even with the recession compared to most homes, America is pretty tidy, even with said recession there is still ridiculous amounts of immigration. I would hope that if my neighbor as you say, were to beat his spouse that I would not stand idly by and simply listen. I would hope that if the American or British governments devolved to some sort of barbaric Hessein-esque countries that someone would help its peoples. That you think countries are entitled to weapons of mass destruction only serves to display how utterly flawed your reasoning is. In an ideal world no country would have them, not America or any other.

Question… Do you think Iraqi’s are happy NOW? The country is in ruins, absolutely no social security… no signs of anything remotely democratic….? This had absolutely nothing to do with liberation… as is quite obviously (although massively supressed in the USA) the case by looking at the country NOW.

i agree rtd they want to put their own affairs in order without outside interference, is this so wrong, would you want your next door neighbour telling you how you should run your house and how to bring your children up, and then steal off you as payment for the help and advice they force on you

RTD wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Even with the recession compared to most homes, America is pretty tidy, even with said recession there is still ridiculous amounts of immigration. I would hope that if my neighbor as you say, were to beat his spouse that I would not stand idly by and simply listen. I would hope that if the American or British governments devolved to some sort of barbaric Hessein-esque countries that someone would help its peoples. That you think countries are entitled to weapons of mass destruction only serves to display how utterly flawed your reasoning is. In an ideal world no country would have them, not America or any other.

Question… Do you think Iraqi’s are happy NOW? The country is in ruins, absolutely no social security… no signs of anything remotely democratic….? This had absolutely nothing to do with liberation… as is quite obviously (although massively supressed in the USA) the case by looking at the country NOW.

Heck yeah I do, as someone who has actually been in Iraq and spoken to Iraqis, y def do.