Yes and No.
If you’re wanting to design something to the level of say a Pentium Processor then the simple answer is highly unlikely, the technology involved in created something with hundreds of millions of transisters at that level is not really what humans can do - those things are designed on high powered computers using some very complecated software that then passes that to a robot to build - a human can simply not see that level of detail.
However, its not impossible to create a very simple processor that could perhaps count to 10 or perform very basic tasks - you might be able to find a local electronics store that might supply the nessessary tools.
If you’re wanting to create a very simple processor to that degree on your own, then it would cost a bit of money to get the nessessary equipment to build the circuit board to base the processor on. We’re talking soldering irons, blank circuit boards, Ultraviolet units and i believe silver too. But then again, once you have all that - you need to pretty much need to know how it all works. lol
lol, that’s what i meant is pentium level stuff, maybe not a full engineer but like a revamp on an older chip, say a 486.
i love those little elctronics kits btw, i colect them, got an fm radio, a digital timer, a dc voltage regulator, and a telegrapgh all sitting on my mantel! lol
lol - well again a 486 based unit is still highly complex. It still contains millions of miniture transisters. You might be able to get away building something on them lines, but it wouldn’t be as small as a 486 chip - it would be fairly large as the transisters involved i doubt would be super small.
But, i guess if you are determined, Do what Bill gates did, rip off anothers idea and go with it - made him a trillionaire - you might be the next :)
I made simple cicuit boards in school, we had the whole works - the ultraviolet machine, PCB boards etc - we made only basic stuff like Serial and paralelle gates which did eventually work - but they were in themselves tricky. I have to say, i did enjoy it though. I guess if you put your heart into it, nothing is impossible - just takes a lot of time and effort to get where you want it to go :)
I do wish you luck, if you manage to build a microprocessing unit though - please do come back and tell me - i would love to know how it goes :)
Nicholas.
lol, i take it you do alot with electronics?
yea, maybe i’ll be start the next AMD, if so i might let you come work for me ;)
sadly i know nothing about electronics, atleast not anymore - but i do work on computers, building, installing, breaking - the usual stuff :)
well im off to bed, its 2am :S once again, good luck :)
lol, night,
btw shout me sometime, i love techie ppl! lol
look see, i revealed myself to you! hahaha
I don’t agree you can easily build a microprocessor from ready made chips.
Like they were built in the begining.
Also you can buy microprocessors chips that are made for this purpose
and are not Intel or AMD.
However to build competitive microprocessors to Intel and/or AMD
would reguire 10’s of billions and a highly skilled work force
of about 1000 people to have even a chance.Would take maybe 10 years.
But not impossible.
Since Intel and AMD are neck and neck with each other there is probably
no room for a third major manufacturer.
Why the interest anyway?
jw,
i really love electronics, i build little kits all the time but have always been curious about the complexity of the average microprocessor.
quite frankly if i were to build one i’d use a RISC architecture, x86 chips are great but ever since mac signed up with intel the IBM POWER arch has completely dissapeared, shame too, those were breakthrough little chips
somewhat happy lady wrote:
jw,
i really love electronics, i build little kits all the time but have always been curious about the complexity of the average microprocessor.
quite frankly if i were to build one i’d use a RISC architecture, x86 chips are great but ever since mac signed up with intel the IBM POWER arch has completely dissapeared, shame too, those were breakthrough little chips
Yes it was nice to have competition but its nice also to have every computer
now with interchangable parts.x86
not really, lol
well, other than the memory
i take it you know alot about this stuff?
somewhat happy lady wrote:
jw,
i really love electronics, i build little kits all the time but have always been curious about the complexity of the average microprocessor.
quite frankly if i were to build one i’d use a RISC architecture, x86 chips are great but ever since mac signed up with intel the IBM POWER arch has completely dissapeared, shame too, those were breakthrough little chips
Yes the complexity has gone up enormously.
In the early days a memory held instruction was done one at a time.
Now they are done 8 to 10 instuctions at a time by decoding with unimaginaly
complex arrays of logic gates.
somewhat happy lady wrote:
not really, lol
well, other than the memory
i take it you know alot about this stuff?
Quite a bit.I am an electrical engineer.
wow, what company do you work for?
somewhat happy lady wrote:
wow, what company do you work for?
Self employed and currently designing and building prototype
video rental machine computer interactive.
what really gets me is embedded computers such as phones and mp3 players, how can they fabricate such a complex circuit onto such a tiny little board?
the average ipod has to have more processing power than my old 486, i know IT couldn’t process music that well
Packing densites are enormous even the 486 was about 10 million transistors
on a piece of silicon only 3/4 by 3/4 of an inch.
it isn’t so bad when you think its 3166×3166=10,000,000
transistors.
The whole circuit is layed out on a 40 ft x 40 ft screen and photgraphically
reduced to 3/4 x 3/4 inch square.
but i mean, lets consider say, an mp3 player.
not a fancy one but one of those cheap $20 AAA powered ones.
now first you have to have a flash memory chip, will say it’s a gig, which is 1024mb
or even better, 1 073 741 824 bytes. that’s alot of transistors.
then you need a signal processing chip, which is atleast a few thousand MIPS.
then all the power and amplifing circuitry, it’s mind blowing
not to mention the firmware and lcd screen, button controllers lol
sry, can’t play videos, 56K connection :(
somewhat happy lady wrote:
not to mention the firmware and lcd screen, button controllers lol
sry, can’t play videos, 56K connection :(
Yes I am shocked that they cost so little to the consumer.
I don’t know how that can be done .
Look at this video and see the billion dollar machines needed to make these
things???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWVywh…
i read somewhere that hey’ve figured out how to modulate internet over powerlines, that’d be nice
somewhat happy lady wrote:
i read somewhere that hey’ve figured out how to modulate internet over powerlines, that’d be nice
Ive heard that to but sounds pretty crude?
you want to here my idea worth billions?
ok.
Panasonic has a cordless phone with a range of 2 miles.
Imagine an imbeded chip in this phone which allows the following:
The chip has 100 chanels.
Anyone with a handset could link to this phone within 2 miles.
Imagine 20% of all people having one of these phones.
Means anyone could connect to any phone within range.
Free cell phones using landline technology.
Using the fact that most landlines are not in use at anyone
momment.
The chip seemlessly connects any user.
The owner of the phone would pick it up and immediatly be able to talk
whithout nowing of anuone else using their phone.
i like it, lol
2 miles? at what frequency? must be digital
somewhat happy lady wrote:
i like it, lol
2 miles? at what frequency? must be digital
Not too sure but its an idea I have mention to some enginners
and they all say “free cell phones”
i miss my HAM licwence, i could hop over to the 2 metere band and chat around the world instantly, realitvely high quility sound too.
i’ve got a reapeter less than 5 miles from my house, i can hit it with a half dead walky talky lol
spiratec9 wrote:
somewhat happy lady wrote:
i like it, lol
2 miles? at what frequency? must be digital
Not too sure but its an idea I have mention to some enginners
and they all say “free cell phones”
Should read “free cell phones…..who’s going to pay for it??”
you can also hook up a packet radio too it and modem data on it
somewhat happy lady wrote:
you can also hook up a packet radio too it and modem data on it
absolutely.Free cell phones and free internet.Why not.
I know whos going to pay?
Are you looking towards being a chip designer?
i let my licence expire in 06′ dumbass,
lol. nope, i graduated and never went on after that, i work at McDonalds beileve it or not :/
i haven’t really decided, I’d love to get into system building or chip fabrication, but right now the way things are i can barely afford my phone bill. i doubt i’ll ever get back into shcool :(
somewhat happy lady wrote:
i let my licence expire in 06′ dumbass,
lol. nope, i graduated and never went on after that, i work at McDonalds beileve it or not :/
Sounds like too much brains for a job like that.Your over qualified.
Start inventing stuff.Find an area that interests you and get to work
on designing and building.Imbeded chips can be made by companies for a fee.
there are many Chineese companies just itching to fabricate new inventions.
lol, an ape is over qaulified for my job
thanks, wish i had the brains of you.
belive it or not i’m the one who practicaly runs the network in my store,
ast manager by now yay! :) i had to light a fire under their *** to make them update the systems, we used to have moded 486 systems, although we have a nice server
guess i’m the only one who knows what the hell i’m doing haha
somewhat happy lady wrote:
lol, an ape is over qaulified for my job
thanks, wish i had the brains of you.
belive it or not i’m the one who practicaly runs the network in my store,
ast manager by now yay! :) i had to light a fire under their *** to make them update the systems, we used to have moded 486 systems, although we have a nice server
guess i’m the only one who knows what the hell i’m doing haha
excellent.My son is a techy too he is 19.
Sounds like they can’t do without you there??
Good.Need a pay raise.
I have seen so many buisneses rinning on DOS and old 486 type machines.
tell that to my boss, lol
your son and i would get along :)
god i have like 10 kids working underneath me, kids are so lazy today, i’ve fired more of them than fat women have bought oprah Tshirts lol
it’s good to see someone smarter than me
what platform are you running at work?
Unix,windows NT?
somewhat happy lady wrote:
tell that to my boss, lol
your son and i would get along :)
god i have like 10 kids working underneath me, kids are so lazy today, i’ve fired more of them than fat women have bought oprah Tshirts lol
it’s good to see someone smarter than me
are the kids really lazy or are they just unmotivated.?
Unix,
it’s actually a linux distro coustum built for the store, we even have pictures of doulble cheeseburgers on the monitor lol
a 486 makes a cheap cash register lol
not sure what the cpu is in these new registers, some risc based system
idk but they don’t want to do their **** job,
i guess motivation does effect it, i mean, if i had all day to sit around playing xbox i wouldn’t want a job either. i was forced to be an adult at the age of 18, when i couldn’t stand living with my lazy alchaholic father and moved out on my own like a big girl
Yes well there a thousand 486 out there for next to nothing.
I am using DOS and pentium 133 on my vidoe rental system.
Mostly because its super reliable.
somewhat happy lady wrote:
idk but they don’t want to do their **** job,
i guess motivation does effect it, i mean, if i had all day to sit around playing xbox i wouldn’t want a job either. i was forced to be an adult at the age of 18, when i couldn’t stand living with my lazy alchaholic father and moved out on my own like a big girl
yes life pressure is a big motivator.
Sound like you father isn’t going bother you anymore.
true, it’s all real basic in the embeded market, old 32 bit chips, verryyy miniscule amounts of ram, like 32mb in the NEW registers lol
simple rs232 connections to the keyboards and scanners, RJ45 links to the server,
nothing fancy
somewhat happy lady wrote:
true, it’s all real basic in the embeded market, old 32 bit chips, verryyy miniscule amounts of ram, like 32mb in the NEW registers lol
simple rs232 connections to the keyboards and scanners, RJ45 links to the server,
nothing fancy
nothing fancy but reliable.
this reminds me of a great discussion:
At a recent computer expo (COMDEX), Bill Gates reportedly compared the computer industry with the auto industry and stated that :- “If GM had kept up with technology like the computer industry has, we would all be driving twenty-five dollar cars that got 1000 miles to the gallon.”
In response to Gates’ comments, General Motors issued a press release stating:
If GM had developed technology like Microsoft, we would all be driving cars with the following characteristics:
1. For no reason whatsoever your car would crash twice a day.
2. Every time they repainted the lines on the road you would have to buy a new car.
3. Occasionally your car would die on the freeway for no reason, and you would just accept this, restart and drive on.
4. Occasionally, executing a maneuver such as a left turn, would cause your car to shut down and refuse to restart, in which case you would have to reinstall the engine.
5. Only one person at a time could use the car, unless you bought “Car95″ or “CarNT”. But then you would have to buy more seats.
6. Macintosh would make a car that was powered by the sun, reliable, five times as fast, and twice as easy to drive, but would only work on five percent of the roads.
7. The oil, water temperature and alternator warning lights would be replaced by a single “general car default” warning light.
8. New seats would force everyone to have the same size butt.
9. The airbag system would say “Are you sure?” before going off.
10. Occasionally for no reason whatsoever, your car would lock you out and refuse to let you in until you simultaneously lifted the door handle, turned the key, and grab hold of the radio antenna.
11. GM would require all car buyers to also purchase a deluxe set of Rand McNally road maps (now a GM subsidiary), even though they neither need them nor want them. Attempting to delete this option would immediately cause the car’s performance to diminish by 50% or more. Moreover, GM would become a target for investigation by the Justice Department.
12. Every time GM introduced a new model car buyers would have to learn to drive all over again because none of the controls would operate in the same manner as the old car.
13. You’d press the “start” button to shut off the engine.
lmao
i like that, reminds of when microsoft was first demoing 98, bill gates got up there and was going on about how much faster and more reliable 98 is over 95, he went to demonstrate how to connect a scanner to the usb port, he plugged it in and the system completely crashed lol
imagine what would happen if microsoft started writing software for medical systems?
*pace maker on a dying patent* ” bing!, windows has encontered an error and needs to close ” hahahaha
somewhat happy lady wrote:
imagine what would happen if microsoft started writing software for medical systems?
*pace maker on a dying patent* ” bing!, windows has encontered an error and needs to close ” hahahaha
you have it.No one designing anything reliable can depend on Bill.
3/4 of the worlds supercomputers are running on Linux.
Burn on Bill.
but yet he has a monoply on the PC industry? why don’t we just give hitler the keys to the white house? hahaha
I don’t think Bill wants the white house when he has Microsoft.
lol, have you heard any more about Google’s OS?
be nice if they’d get that out there,
windows is… well you get the idea lol, i refuse to run vista. i’m running xp on this laptop, i have my desktop setup to dual boot xp/Ubuntu
umm, completely random question but,
are you a male or female? hahaha
Vista was a Microsoft booboo.
might wanna check again lol,
never met a 25 y/o girl who knew what the hell a 486 was have you? lol
My son is running Windows 7 and he says its Vista with the problems fixed mostly.
somewhat happy lady wrote:
might wanna check again lol,
never met a 25 y/o girl who knew what the hell a 486 was have you? lol
No to your credit you are one of a kind. Good on you.
I call my computer 786 to keep the liniage.
8086,286,386,486…….stopped counting?
thankies ;)
lol, i hate when people stereotype women, ( i know this is completely off the subject lol ). but jeeze man, we act like we want perfect treatment but yet half of us are idiots. i’ll be damned if i’m gonna be an idiot, i have dreams i have deisres, nobody else is gonna do it for me, might as well do it myself
well I think its time for all little Engineers and good little tecky girls
to go to bed??
lol, well technicallly 786 was NetBurst, most intel chips are based on P6, which is 686, the netburst P4’s were crap anyway
somewhat happy lady wrote:
lol, well technicallly 786 was NetBurst, most intel chips are based on P6, which is 686, the netburst P4’s were crap anyway
Well i am learning something didn’t know that!
lol, have at it, i’m an insomniac, anyway nice to chat with an intelectual for once
somewhat happy lady wrote:
lol, have at it, i’m an insomniac, anyway nice to chat with an intelectual for once
same to you its been fun.May see you again on here sometime.
There’s this engineer walking along and sees this frog.
And this frog says “if you kiss me I’ll be your princess”.
So he picks up the frog and puts it in his pocket. A little while later the frog says” if you kiss me I’ll be your princess and stay with you for a whole week”. Engineer takes the frog out and looks at it and puts it back in his pocket.
A little while later the frog says” if you kiss me I’ll be your princess and I’ll do whatever you want”.
Engineer says nothing.
A little while later the frog says,” what is the matter with you I told you if you kiss me, I’ll be your princess, I’ll stay with you for a week and do whatever you want.”
The engineer takes the frog out of his pocket and says “I’m an engineer, I don’t have time for a girlfriend, but now a talking frog, that is something”
lol, smarter than i look
i have a core duo in this laptop, which is p6 and an athlon 64 in my desktop which is AMD K8,
anyway night i guess,
omg we have to talk more, shout me sometimes mr. techy lol
good night.
spiratec9 wrote:
There’s this engineer walking along and sees this frog.
And this frog says “if you kiss me I’ll be your princess”.
So he picks up the frog and puts it in his pocket. A little while later the frog says” if you kiss me I’ll be your princess and stay with you for a whole week”. Engineer takes the frog out and looks at it and puts it back in his pocket.
A little while later the frog says” if you kiss me I’ll be your princess and I’ll do whatever you want”.
Engineer says nothing.
A little while later the frog says,” what is the matter with you I told you if you kiss me, I’ll be your princess, I’ll stay with you for a week and do whatever you want.”
The engineer takes the frog out of his pocket and says “I’m an engineer, I don’t have time for a girlfriend, but now a talking frog, that is something”
and finally a wink from the big guy:
111,111,111 x 111,111,111 = 12,345,678,987,654,321
You can actually. Get an FPGA and start hacking. FPGA = Field programmable gate array. It can be customized and made extremely powerful. You don’t even need silicone or anything
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def leppard in dolby 5.1
lol
It could cost a fortune or almost nothing. Try salvaging some things from the dump if you can to make stuff for. If you can’t, try buying used stuff. If you have to buy everything new it’ll cost you a fortune and a half.
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