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Not really, but no one seems to care about the rules any more… I’m more worried about AIG passing out 2 billion dollars in bonuses after they took my tax money because they were going broke. Plus he said he was bringing the troops home and kids are dying in Afghanistan every day and we are sending more, more, more…

zeitgeist, the movie - if you have a couple of hours.

a ‘must-see’

http://video.google.com/videoplay?doc… has the english subs, just google for any other language sub

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I just visited this website and I don’t know what kind of creditability they have, but if he still hasn’t shown us a birth certificate, it makes me wonder what he’s trying to hide. The Constitution was written to protect us from things like this and I can’t believe we are still not clued into the fact of where he was born. It scares me to think about where America is heading. We have way too much freedom.

I will definetly check that movie out. What is it about?

we have too much freedom?

we have close to none left… ‘they’ have too much freedom…

I will definetly check that movie out. I guess I will be busy for two hours, the movie seems interesting. Thanks for the input

In a happy world he would just resign!! I think he should show his birth certif. also, but I’m sure someone has seen it.

3 parts :

religion, 9/11, international banking

the three biggest hoaxes of modern time, put together in a documentary - it’s not a piece of art on its own, but has seriously interesting content…

there’s a whole movement going on, globally (http://thezeitgeistmovement.com/) looking for actual solutions, alternatives… but check out the movie first, see if it stirs anything in you ;)

I think we both have way too much freedom. Yes it seems ‘they’ are using their freedom to get rich.

Thanks Gynan Tonix. I will see you in 2 hours and tell you what I think.

i’ll check in over the weekend for it - i hope to be fast asleep in 2 hours ;)

Well good night.

I just watched the video. I really would have to look up a lot of things that were said in the movie. The first half, seems like something I do not agree with, but of course I don’t know what the egyptians believed or didn’t believe. Frankly all I know is the knowlegde and wisdom GOD gives me in my own life. I hope that non-believers don’t get a hold of this movie because they will not understand why those things are being said. A true Christian person will never judge someone for what they believe. A human only judges and I’m sorry if the type of person that doesn’t practice what they preach misinformed any of you of what religion is about. Also at the end of the day I just pray that you all pray for yourself. GOD isn’t just in the sky he’s omnipresent and knows your thoughts and what you feel. He loves the person you are and loves you so much he did send Jesus Christ to die on the cross so you may be forgiven for your sins. You may think I am preaching to you right now, but I’m not I am simply trying to educate people on the most important gift. I just want you to acknowlegde GOD and try and plead with him about yourself (GOD knows you) I just want to make that statement because that is the most important thing above all things on earth and I want to see you all in heaven.

I don’t know if anyone has ever thought about some of the things I think about, but science proves that every living thing exsist because of another living thing. I know without a dout that I have a creater who still amazes me today with GODs love for me even when GOD knows I may not be doing the right thing. I think that it is more ridiculous to think that nature is smarter than humans. Something that if GOD did not exsist that everything came together by accident. If that happened I don’t think things would be as complez as they are. Think about nucleotides in our DNA that make us extremely different from one another. Its all so complex and I know and we all have the capacity to know if you just believe and ask for the knowlegde. Or the fact that they just found human bones that totally make the theory of evolution a myth.

Sorry about that just want to speak my mind on how religion is not even close to being a conspiracy of the government. All of the stuff that was said in the first part of the movie is not religion, it’s astronomy and my GOD tells me not to worship that in the Holy Bible which has been a total help for me after picking myself up after giving in to the evil. Maybe GOD said to not worship astronomy because it would just confuse you. I’m just saying if you follow in Jesus Christ footsteps you are in safe hands, you will never have to endure the pain Jesus suffered so be thankful for that. I just care about everyone so much and love everyone I wish people could love Jesus if not me, just love Jesus. I don’t know whos reading this comment and I probably confuse a lot of people because I’m not that good at writing, but if you could just spend a small part of your life by just talking with GOD and not responding to this message with hate, just a small part of your life you may see what GOD is trying to tell you, you may see what GOD wants you to see and you may be able to love the way Jesus did. If you don’t believe in GOD why try to prove his inexisistance, Why don’t you search for GOD and the only way to know GOD is accept Jesus Christ ask him to forgive you of your sins and believe and GOD will teach you the rest if you are a true follower.

I may be right about Jesus Chist or you may be right about there not being a Jesus Christ. But if I’m right I will live eternally in heaven. If you are right I guess we both lose.

Oh Lord, you all don’t think its a conspiracy do you. Maybe a muslim plot to take over America?

Anyone who believes that there is some secret cabal or society running the planet is intellectually lazy. Conspiracies and ridiculous notions of the Illuminati, Masons, Bilderbergs, etc.. are the last bastion of mediocre minds. The world is a complex place with lots of overlapping interests and power centers. I love it how the same people who believe in 9/11 government conspiracies, UN conspiracies to take over the US, Kennedy assassination theorists, and ad naseum, all believe that large government bureaucracies are miraculously adept at pulling of complex secret missions and keeping them quiet over long spans of time. Yet, these same people rail again government ineptitude, the corruption in the UN, the inability of the US government to manage XY and Z. You can’t have it both ways nut jobs.

Don’t believe in a conspiracy, I know who controls the people who are suseptible to causing evil in the world.

yeeeea wordpress = not a credible site.
theres no way in hell or high water that the opposing party would let Obama be in office did he not meet the criteria, or had he not proven his elegability, i mean come on.
the devil didnt put obama in office, osama bin laden didnt either, there is no conspiracy theory, srsly get a better hobby.

/me yawns…

first, it’s not a conspiracy theory. there’s no theory, just a bunch of conspiracies. i don’t think that muslims, nor the devil are trying to take over, but the Illuminati are a fact (who aren’t trying - they have been controlling the planet for -at least- hundreds of years). those who say no do so because they think it makes them sound more intelligent agreeing with mainstream media, but they have not done any research themselves. if you don’t look things up yourself, you’re just repeating, but have no idea of your own. i did my research. years of it, and i’ve drawn my conclusions. 9/11 was an inside job. so was jfk. area51 does exist, nasa keeps lying about the moon and mars, and the ancient egyptians simply did not have the tools to build the Giza pyramids without ‘help’ (and i don’t mean slaves). the list goes on.

and we don’t ‘all believe that large government bureaucracies are miraculously adept at pulling of complex secret missions and keeping them quiet over long spans of time’. some generalization/assumption, nut job… most of us know that (most) these bureaucracies have nothing to do with it, and don’t have a clue of who’s giving the orders they’re following, or what their true purpose is. they just behave like the good little sheep they were programmed to be.

second, god = not the same as religion. i have my faith, but i despise the church institutions. imo, there is a great architect somewhere (everywhere), but the powers that be on this planet gave it a nice spin, so it fits their agenda, and they gain control over billions of people. it is the world that has been pulled over your eyes to blind you from the truth, and the truth is hard to swallow when you’re choking on pride.

if one would like to argue with me on this, i have no problems with that, but i do ask that they at least watch that movie, and preferably do some additional research before repeating the same old pre-chewed opinion as so called facts to me. trust me, i’ve heard it, i’ve listened, pondered, looked it up and thought it through, and i still think it’s a load of bullcrap.

wordpress = not a credible site : LOL! seriously… the tools don’t affect the content…

I’m pretty sure some anon smartass is going to give it his best shot debunking this too, so i shall refrain from further comments. those interested have enough info to start their own research, and you can always shout me if you want to know/talk more.

go back to sleep. nevermind the monster under your bed. it’s not real, cnn said so.

oh my god you really need to fill your time with some other hobby dood.

yeah yeah, just don’t come crying when your bubble bursts…

courtybubble wrote:
oh my god you really need to fill your time with some other hobby dood.

courtybubble wrote:
yeeeea wordpress = not a credible site.
theres no way in hell or high water that the opposing party would let Obama be in office did he not meet the criteria, or had he not proven his elegability, i mean come on.
the devil didnt put obama in office, osama bin laden didnt either, there is no conspiracy theory, srsly get a better hobby.

Thanks was wondering if in fact it was a credible site.

Oh yeah something I did not have to do research on. Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th. They do not know when he was born in fact the date December 25th was picked up from a Pagan holiday. Anyone who believes this video is way off the mark, that is just the most obvious flaw of the movie.

I’m sorry but people who believe in this sort of thing are the types of people that “life always happens to.” Meaning they are always making excuses why they’ve failed in life - oh, the dog ate my paper, the teacher hates me, the boss is out to get me, my co-workers talk about me behind my back, thats why I didn’t get the grade or the promotion or the brass ring. They live from one crisis to another and its always someone else’s fault. This is the same thing just applied to a larger scale.

Let me give you a profile of a usual conspiracy theorist since I even have a few in my family. 1. Modest education - maybe a little college, or if a Bachelor’s degree probably from a smaller less prestigious institution. 2. Working to middle class, typically white, 3. Devout or strong Christian faith, often bible-believing literalist. 4. Typically Southern or Western US. 5. Tends to be a follower rather than a doer. 6. Resentful of immigration and demographic changes as well as technological changes that are upending their world and marginalizing them economically and politically. 7. Uses phrases such as “Well, they say ……” without knowing or explaining who “THEY” are. 8. Republican

Call me an NY east coast elitist liberal or what you will but everyone I know outside my family is like me: well educated, employed, driven, successful and NO not a one of them believe in conspiracies. In fact, I have several friends who work for Goldman Sachs (on the executive level), have colleagues on the Council of Foreign Relations, and the UN and all the bugaboo institutions that you fear. Guys, the world is too complicated, too complex, too nuanced to be run by a secret cabal.

I would just add that all the folks I know at these institutions, as myself, are just people who are working hard and applying themselves in their respective fields. As kids we studied hard, went to good schools, moved away from our small towns to EGADS, New York City or some other big, bad major city where - guess what - we met other driven, successful people just like us doing the same thing - working our way up into the highest levels of the financial, legal, artistic communities. Or simply just trying to maximize our opportunities and potential. Many of these folks are from small towns, have extended family that are everyday people. They are not part of a secret cababl.

I’m not suggesting they are doing everything correctly or have all the answers. I’m just suggesting that the world is much, much more complex place than your theories allow and power centers are much too diffuse in REAL LIFE for there to be one secret coordinating body controlling everything.

courtybubble wrote:

Dr. Ralph wrote:
Courty you are exactly why the government succeeds so well in doing whatever it wants. A big obnoxious mouth with no original thoughts or ideas spouting the party line. You would have made a wonderful Nazi in the 1940’s…

youd think id be ruling the world by now then huh.

Well since the Nazis didn’t take over the world, I would say no. That’s just the obvious answer to that statement/ wanna be question.

courty : funny how a kid thinks he has everything figured out already, while he has still everything to learn. i’m pretty sure our dr. has no problems with people thinking differently, same for me, it’s just the people not thinking at all that bother us.

you made yourself look rather silly over the last few replies here, bubbles, time to call it a day?

@ anon : the movie did not make the statement JC was born on dec 25th, the merely gave you the story as it is ‘generally known’ and explain why - get your facts straight before making claims. the movie actually questions if he even existed at all (just questions it, it doesn’t state it) if you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re better of not saying anything. of course it was adapted from pagan beliefs, that’s how the system works… also : “I did not have to do research on”? nice… QED.

@ hughes.gra : that’s not the profile of an average conspiracy theorist - that’s the profile of the average conspiracy theorist YOU know. tells me more about your family then anything else. for example, the profile doesn’t fit me at all, except for me being white. another nice generalization/assumption - and again, completely wrong or at least wildly inaccurate. most of these theories (not all of them obviously, there are some seriously idiotic theories as well, but that doesn’t negate all of them…) allow ANY complexity you can come up with, it just adds another layer…

and how can you be sure if any of the people you know aren’t part of a secret society (i’d doubt it as well, just by numbers, but that’s another matter) the thing is : it’s secret… they wouldn’t tell you… and of course all of the well educated, employed, driven, successful people you know don’t believe in it - they believe what mainstream media tells them, because they trust it to be true and verified. well, in some cases, it just isn’t. in some cases, it’s just blunt lies made up to cover up something, or to advance a hidden agenda.

“working our way up into the highest levels of the financial, legal, artistic communities” big words, but the highest levels..? by invitation only… think about that for a minute.

considering im neither a kid, nor male, youre makin your own self look a tad silly ;)

:P

She is from New Zealand though so she doesn’t have a dog in this fight…