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Does this manager have contempt for me?

This is follow-up from a previous question.
I’ve been working on my job for about five weeks now. I’m fairly comfortable with the trainer and am progressing at a steady rate, I feel. I have also tried to treat our trainer in a respectful and courteous manner. He’s only 24. The trainer and I had a conversation in which he told me he did not think I was performing at my best. Since then I have taken steps to improve his negative perceptions and asked him about it. I was told yes, he’s seen an improvement, and that no news is good news. I wonder though if for some unclear reason this trainer hates me. I figured that if a conversation about negative performance is had, a follow up is in order when improvement is noted. He has I admit, seemed to take a slightly extra effort with me despite my knowledge of the material. We recently had a one-on-one material review session while others were working on an assignment. It went quite well, actually. He also gave me some information on one of the systems I could look up outside of class. Later, we had a dinner and unlike our previous one, we had no specific menu items other than pizza that was being ordered. One lady had her sister prepare a tossed salad. He asked me were we having banana pudding again, which I prepared and brought the last time. “No. no one asked me to bring one,” was my response. He replied that no one asked the person who brought salad to do so either. Those who ate the banana pudding thought it was good but I only recall one raving review about it, lol. When our pizza came in, the lady who picked it up had problems with some people’s orders. She checked to see that mine was correct, it was and he overheard and followed up to see that the pizza was made correctly. Furthermore, our trainer is very much a disciplinarian when it comes to me. Throughout training he has kept a very close eye on me and my performance and progress. It seems like everything I say, he hears, no matter how quietly said. He has no problem pointing out my mistakes and giving the ever-infamous ‘constructive criticism.’ On the one hand, I appreciate his extra effort with me and it motivates me to be a better representative for the company but on the other, I just feel that I can never work to his level of satisfaction or maybe he feels I am incompetent. Besides those things, we work fairly well together and have a comfortable working relationship of mutual co-operation. I respect him greatly. Whereas with many in the course he simply knows their first name, he does know my first and last name. I want smooth relations with this trainer in the event that I am able to move up; and with him having a certain level of power, security that my progress won’t be hindered. Does it sound like this trainer hates my guts or what? I need experienced, careful and useful advice so I know how to further approach this situation.

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vivzofwale offline Verified User (1 year, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (25 minutes after post)

well, i don’t think i’m experienced enough. but i can try to be careful with my advice lolz. i have some stuff i wanna say and maybe it will help organize my thoughts if i can list them out.

1. an employee training system, ideally, should employ a performance evaluation system. this measures your progress in an objective way and makes sure that all your activities are congruent to corporate goals. usually this system should have both a quantitative and qualitative part. it highly depends on the job description and since you haven’t shared much about that part, i’m assuming it has both. for sales the quantitative is usually accounts closed, revenue targets met etc. for operations maybe percentage savings on procedures, efficiency etc. seems that you are not getting TIMELY feedback from your manager and if this is so, you can refer to the quantitative part of your performance evaluation. this should tell you if you are meeting your targets/goals or not.

2. consider what others of your same designation are doing differently from you. ask about THEIR feedback from your manager. at the same time, consider what the higher-ups are doing too. if possible, interview someone who came from your position (maybe he/she was promoted) and ask about the skills they have to develop and the training they had undergone. this should serve as another credible source of feedback about your work.

3. well i know many other factors are at play. and i haven’t met your boss so i don’t know what type of person he is. but based from your post alone, you should appreciate this extra effort and attention he is putting into training you. the way i see it, there may be two scenarios. one is, that you are not improving fast enough and he decides to help you out. OR, he sees potential in you more than the others and is motivating and pushing furthermore, so you won’t become too complacent or possibly ‘arrogant’ with your progress. either way, i think his intentions are good. and at the end, you win because you get more training than others.

4. lastly, there are many management styles. it varies from one manager to another. it is thus important for you to recognize what kind of person your manager is - what does he value? what are his goals? HOW does he work toward his goals? with these info at hand, you can at least determine what will satisfy him and what he needs from you. if directly asking him from feedback doesn’t work, then maybe it’s not his management style. maybe he wants his team to develop their own ‘radar’ so to speak. so he equips you with training and resources, but let’s you gauge your own progress.

hope it helps!:)

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crosenblum offline Verified User (10 months, 2 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (50 minutes after post)

You have to focus on what your idea of a great job is….So that any reward or recognition comes internally….You sadly can not depend on bosses or workers to give you the feeling of pride or accomplishments….

But you also have to listen, to how you can do your job better, so as to show your passion to constantly improve…

But there is so many possibilities as to what managers really mean and why they criticize…

The key is to take it with a grain of salt, listen and pay attention, but then make up your own mind if the advice makes sense…

This is exactly why the difference between managers and leaders…managers give orders, leaders inspire…and motivate…

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lobokc offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (57 minutes after post)

Thank you for being objective.

1. The job is in a call center where there are many opportunities for advancement and incentives. This being said, of course we will mainly serve customers over the phone with their cell phone needs. The portion we are in right now is the fifth week of a five week classroom phase. We begin transitioning onto the phones the end of this week and next week. Honestly, the classroom part I do not feel will be completely effective since I am very hands on. The job will apply both quantitative and qualitative goals.

2. Not to sound high-headed but I feel I am comprehending the material at a faster rate than many of the other people in the course. I am younger than many of the people and the older people are taking a little more time learning the computer systems. At our meeting, he asked me if I could honestly say I was giving my best effort. I told him I took it seriously and there may have been two things out of everything introduced that I did not grasp immediately. His response was that two is two too many!

3. The boss is quite sarcastic and sometimes can be biting with select people, myself included. Normally I would be upset but in many ways this is part of his personality. While we were practicing phone calls one day, my heart nearly froze after discovering him standing behind me and listening to the call. He said he had been there about ten minutes. Really, this guy expects perfection and I told him that I cannot promise perfection but will agree to give my strongest effort. Like I said before, he monitors me VERY closely and in my opinion this could be good or bad. Good because he will know my level of ability or lack thereof in the event of promotions and raises, two, he will know my weaknesses better than I do because he has watched enough to pick up on them.

4. He values different things from different people. For some he is patient and gives them a little more time to learn things, with me he is demanding but on certain tasks he provides feedback, generally good. His rule is that we turn our computer off each time we leave the room/station. I admit I have forgotten on several occasions to do this. When I do, my find my computer turned off EACH time and having to reload all the systems once its back on. He only says that at least I am good at loading all the computer systems and that it is for my benefit. I can see how because on one hand a person can be fired if his information is accessed by others, on the other hand, we clock in via computer system and time spent loading is valuable. Its valuable because we only have a three minute grace period to punch in before considered late. I have addressed this with him.

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vivzofwale offline Verified User (1 year, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (1 hour, 21 minutes after post)

Thank you for being objective.

1. The job is in a…

*** good to hear about the qualitative and quantitative goals. this way you yourself can gauge your progress easily. so for example your target is 20% success rate and you are operating at 25%, shows that you’re good at work. but if he says it isn’t enough, then at least it will be easier for you to do something about it. simply do 26% or better.

2. Not to sound high-headed…

*** i think from his question we kind kinda tell what he thinks about you (unless he asked EVERYONE the same question). maybe he thinks you are not doing your best and you are not operating at full potential. it can be purely based on perception (a bad impression perhaps) or can be factual too. if it’s the former, it can come from many sources like bias against your age etc. and it sucks. but if this is something you want to do then you have to prove otherwise. if it’s the latter, remember that he has more experience than you do and maybe he does see something in you that makes him think that you don’t put your best foot forward. personally, i find it flattering if people think i’m still not doing my best even if to me, i believe i am. it just means they value me and my potential more than i value it myself. and who knows, what they think may be true more than how i know myself.

3. The boss is quite sarcastic…

*** seems like his personality is really that way. and i’m glad that you’re not upset/taking it personally. i think for the call center industry, listening to the call is part of the training. there are even instances that calls are recorded to ensure optimum quality. and i agree with the good points too. i just hope it doesn’t rattle you moving forward. additionally, demanding perfection for me is good. as long as he executes it correctly. this may be questionable as you think he may have contempt against you.

4. He values different things…

*** this is simple company policy. information is valuable and security should be emphasized. i’m pretty sure you understand why he turns off your computer, it’s because you forgot them. as for the three-minute grace period, it just means you have to get back earlier after a break right?:) btw, those are not values, coz values are consistent. i think what you meant is his approach to people. that should be right, people (team members) should be approached differently. you say you learn faster than your older colleagues. and it’s why he’s more patient with them and less patient with you.

i think at the end of the day, it is all about intentions. i admit, many of the ways of your manager is detrimental to your motivation rather than helpful. but it can be a completely different scenario with another person. like for me, i find mean bosses more motivating. because it challenges me to surpass their expectations. it will surely be different to others.

i think another important factor is you being young. i have been there. i am always the youngest in work, even in school! i have had staff who are 5-8 years older than i am. it can be a source of problems. but things always become better in time. the first three months would always be a power struggle for me. but later on they realize that i AM qualified for the position and have the expertise. eventually they will accept you.

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lobokc offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (1 hour, 46 minutes after post)

Oh, and I forgot to mention that I’ve seen others leave their area with their computers on. Sometimes he completely overlooks it and I have to remind him. I believe in fairness across the board. The amount of pressure he puts on me I feel should be applied to others. I believe his intentions are good though sometimes intimidating and harsh. I have decided to have a friend who is in the same position as he at the job to ask casually about me without his knowledge. This should give me a clearer picture into his opinion as well. The only thing I can continue to do is to give 100%. His sternness motivates me but I was completely shocked when he pulled me out for the personal conversation in which he also stated that if he does not see improvement and if I don’t ask questions when necessary he will start documenting our meetings. He said at that time he really thought that was unnecessary. It is my expectation that I will succeed as a representative and will meet and surpass my trainer’s expectations. I really appreciate your input and will apply as much of it as I can.

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vivzofwale offline Verified User (1 year, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 5 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (2 hours, 4 minutes after post)

i guess that is where our difference starts though. i don’t believe in across the board “fairness”. i believe people should be treated differently. not in terms of discrimination or favoritism or whatnot. people ARE different from each other, and therefore have different strengths and weaknesses, potential, expectations etc. i don’t expect to approach all team members in the same way. some need more discipline. others need more motivation. others need spanking lolz. and some can be left alone to work independently.

i’m glad though that you’re still doing your best in this job, despite this amount of pressure on you. best of luck! :)

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lobokc offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (2 hours, 29 minutes after post)

thanks a bunch, I will need it!

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1 month, 1 week ago (9 hours, 23 minutes after post)

Paragraphs
Not reading that.

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lobokc offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (10 hours, 40 minutes after post)

what are you reading from the paragraph?

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lobokc offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 1 month, 1 week ago (3 days, 13 hours after post)

Ironically, a couple of days ago, my trainer said, “You’re funny, I like you.” Maybe it just goes to show that people who do care for you will do and show it in the most odd ways.

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