My family wants me to get the H1N1 vaccine but I don’t want to. - Help.com

Doesn’t matter how healthy and strong you are, you can still get hit by H1N1. It isn’t going to care about your pride, your determination or what you want to prove…

Do your research and you’ll discover that keeping clean is a good thing.. but cannot in itself prevent you catching an airborne virus! In fact, the bizarre thing about this particular strain is that it is hitting young, healthy adults hard !

If your decision is based on stubborness rather than correct medical evaluation, your family are right to tell you it’s a bad decision! Sure you can do what you want… you said yourself no-one is forcing you to have this. But you can’t expect people who have your best interests at heart to agree with you! If they want to tell you what they think, they can!

It’s the wrong decision. A few days every few months in the hospital? The hospital is the best place to catch it. That’s why the first batch went to healthcare workers.

I do understand what you are saying but from an ex healthcare profession standpoint, if you already have some health issues, it may not be the worst choice to get vaccinated. I mean I understand making your own decisions and not wanting to be dependent but some things you should think about, flu vaccines are one, the year I decided NOT to get one I got the flu. I had it for 2 weeks. Out of work for 2 weeks thats a pretty nice chunk out of my income that month, almost lost my job too. Obviously you are not out on your own but that would be your education that you would be missing out on, or time out with your friends or just doing something you want in general because your stuck hugging the porcelain throne and paying homage to the porcelain god along with being stuck in bed just cause you feel like crap. Whatever you do is your decision but think about it. Next time you get a headache don’t take advil, or the common cold, don’t take cold medicine but the flu is a whole other ballgame you may want to reconsider. Flu is fatal in some cases and there have been over 1000 deaths in the usa alone due to the swine flu. Be safe.

When you come here, you don’t get what you want to hear.. you get what you need to hear.

Trying to fight past issues by taking on a random virus is not the way to prove anything to yourself. It just won’t work.

What you need to do is to sort out what is preventing you from behaving rationally and logically with this. H1N1 has nothing to do with your past issues and never will. It’s a virus. It cannot be outwitted, outsmarted, outmanoeuvred and even if you DO win the battle with it - all that proves is that you got lucky.

It doesn’t prove that you have mastered what is really bugging you at all.

So, what is this “stuff” that has happened before that makes this such an issue for you? Maybe that’s where you really need some support?

I really don’t think just anyone should have the vaccine; I think those that are deemed to be in a risk category should take that medical assessment seriously and make a decision based upon that.

Depends on whether you are in that risk category and what the medical advice is to you. You should decide on that basis only, rather than family pressure or your need to prove something to yourself.

ok i was invited so heres my thought…granted I dont spend that much time in the hospitalfor medical reason (as i work at one)but I will not be getting the shot. Sorry to untested, and long term effects are unknown. But that is just my thoguhts on the matter, to each his own. But take evrything in to account. Risks, pro/cons
its all up to you.

It’s not exactly a matter of right or wrong decisions, now is it? It has to do with perserving yourself and your health with good medical advice.

We all know that you will do what your will dictates to you. Nothing will stop that but you will not convince others that you are right by not protecting yourself. They love you and that’s why they are suggesting that you go and get the shot.

Don’t be one of the statistics “She/He could have gotten the shot but didn’t”.
“Now they are gone.”

Don’t take this particular item to heart. One shot is not going to make or break any of us. I can understand what you expect of your body is strength and endurance and the ability to stand on your own two feet. But, lets be reasonable and help it to survive with keeping your body protected.

Perhaps reading about the past epidemics would convince you. The one that hit is in the 1920’s and also the one in Europe that took thousands of lives. If only we had had a vaccine at that time, thousands upon thousands of men, woman and children would have been saved. Good luck.

We are many of us dependent on hospitals and doctors. Most of us have endured the worry and questioning that comes with having various vaccines too. Some of us are more understanding than you realise of just how frustrating it can be having to come to terms with dependency.

That understanding reaches deep enough to know that if this is an issue for you now, then the possibility of even greater dependence as a result of catching that virus is not a rosy one for you is it?

Your decision should be based on what the professionals caring for you advise. Island is right on that.

Mumstheword doesn’t do punishment. She does commonsense and a whole pile of hugs and tea.

No…

I’m trying to point out to you that you can’t use a virus as your Goliath in life. It doesn’t work that way.

If you read my replies carefully, it does not tell you to have or not have the virus. It says base your decision on logic, not emotion.

And it’s THAT that you really need the support and understanding for isn’t it? :)

(that should have said “have or not have the vaccine”. Silly me)

that’s exactly what I understood you to mean.

Know what stands out in your post most of all?

four little words at the end…just before “Anyone?”

It says you feel bad…

You also say that your family is against you and your friends don’t care.

As a “helper” and a mother.. when I hear things like that I know that someone is not happy and feels isolated. Your family isn’t against “you” because they clearly have your interest in their hearts. They are against your opinion .. there is a difference. Try and focus on that difference.

I understand and don’t agree with the choice if you are in that select group that is endangered by the flu as “Island” has stated before.

Campion, when you constantly challenge the helpers who come to offer support, it doesn’t do you any favours. The fact that we are here at all says we do care.

Accept that we don’t necessarily share your opinions on what makes good and bad decisions.

I don’t think anyone here has “bitten your head off” as you stated in a post above, you asked for our opinions and understanding though and people are stating them, I noticed before you were quite quick to jump though when it was explained the reasons that you probably should get it though.
Are you afraid of needles or something? I mean I know you say you are standing up for your beliefs here but come on now. They have mists if you are afraid of needles :P If this virus was just a passing craze then it wouldn’t be so bad, but sadly it’s not. They just want to give people the means to fight this thing off instead of spreading it more. Think about this, if you get it, your family will take care of you, as will the doctors… they will have to be exposed to it since you caught it because you didn’t take proper precautions thus starting a larger chain just because you did not want to get a shot or go sniff a mist. Don’t be selfish, pick your battles wisely.
If you need to prove yourself, do it differently, there are so many other ways to do so, one of my best guy friends has severe asthma like look at him wrong and he goes into an attack, he plays football and does construction for a job, that is proving to himself and everyone else he can survive. I’m sure there is something like that in your life you could find rather than possibly getting infected with a possibly fatal virus and passing it on to others.
I do agree it is wrong for your parents to give you the choice and then tell you that you are wrong, my daughter is getting her shot and when she is old enough to make her own decisions I will let her, but when it comes to her health she can make those decisions once she’s out of my house :P

Who is fighting your decision?

What exactly do you want help with?

campion wrote:

mumstheword wrote:
Campion, when you constantly challenge the helpers who come to offer support, it doesn’t do you any favours. The fact that we are here at all says we do care.

Accept that we don’t necessarily share your opinions on what makes good and bad decisions.

because there are not alot of people who are helping me, just more and more fighting my decision. Genesis, i know you guys care, and thankyou. if my last reply sounded hostile i didnt mean it to, im sorry.

No one is fighting your decision, we are just trying to let you know it’s not the smartest decision one could make.

My understanding isn’t a pacifier, I am not saying it just to be talking. I really feel I know how you feel about this issue.

I know too that being right about something is important to you as it is to me. But, in this case the right thing to do… if your age group is the endangered, is to get the shot. It is just common sense to believe that “An once of prevention is worth a pound of cure”.

You ask for “understanding” but then in the course of discussion it turns out “some stuff has happened before and you’d understand if you had been there.”
But you won’t address it or discuss it, so you won’t allow anyone the opportunity to understand.

You are very defensive. To the point where you see any attempt to discuss the issue with you in an effort to understand as “fighting your decision” or “biting your head off”.

I think at the end of the day, all that can be said about your decision has been said.

Whether or not you want to allow people to understand your point of view is also your decision.

I’d swallow my pride any day if I thought I might actually kill someone as a result of it… but that’s my opinion.

Not fighting just trying to get you to understand that you need to think beyond yourself at this point in time… that is where you choose your battles wisely. You could get it you may live but the nurse who is working 60 hours a week plus overtime who’s immune system isn’t the greatest because she is working so much catches it, she has a kid who she is trying to support by herself, she ends up catching it and ends up in the hospital with it and could possibly die because you decided you wanted to be selfish and not get vaccinated. There’s a dose of reality for you so now this child lost their mother because you wanted to prove something that really didn’t need proving. Not saying you are the only selfish person out there right now but at the moment you are the only one stating publicly on a website where people will give opinions weather you want to hear them or not.

By the way it looks the more I read about your posts/responses, is your parents gave you this decision to see if you would make the right one. You obviously are not old enough quite yet to do so. I am not going to say I pity you but in the future when you understand why people are responding to you the way the are I hope if some other kid turns up in a forum you’ll applaud him for wanting to stand up for himself but also try to get him to understand that life isn’t all about proving yourself, it’s about making sure those around you are safe first, then prove whatever you need to prove.

The one thing I think people keep forgetting about H1N1 is more people die from the regular flu each year then those that have died from the H1N1 since the panic started. Not that I am down playing those whom have passed. But I do think alot of the fear is Mob Mentality. Again my humble opinion.

See once again, you aren’t hearing what you want so you feel you must tell those to leave that don’t see it your way. If you are so hard pressed to make everyone leave it’s simple… close the post.

campion wrote:

sarisa_grimwing wrote:
See once again, you aren’t hearing what you want so you feel you must tell those to leave that don’t see it your way. If you are so hard pressed to make everyone leave it’s simple… close the post.

read mz.mo’s responses. thats what i needed. understanding of my DECISION despite any biased opinion of my REASON and doing so without JUDGMENT.

lol well my first response has typing errors galore! Thou shall not type while talking on the phone!

campion wrote:

mz.mo wrote:
The one thing I think people keep forgetting about H1N1 is more people die from the regular flu each year then those that have died from the H1N1 since the panic started. Not that I am down playing those whom have passed. But I do think alot of the fear is Mob Mentality. Again my humble opinion.

mz.mo, i think you are the only person here who as done what i asked, and scincerely understood without judgement. if you need anything, anything at all, i will do all i can to help you.

glad I could help. Like I said just my thoughts on the manner. And side not I work at a hospital. And the Dr’s have many different thoughts on the subject. And my department isnt even getting offered the shot.

You’d think I wasn’t that cruel :P I’m not a mean person no, but I’m a mother. You aren’t as ignorant though as you are coming across, and I do know what it’s like to prove oneself to others, I overcame an illness well fight it everyday that people said I would never be able to do. I can understand your plight I really can but possibly putting those around you that you love (or may not if you and your family doesn’t get along) at risk for any kind of disease that is preventable isn’t right. Unless you intend on living in a shed >.> which I doubt so.

mz.mo wrote:

campion wrote:

sarisa_grimwing wrote:
See once again, you aren’t hearing what you want so you feel you must tell those to leave that don’t see it your way. If you are so hard pressed to make everyone leave it’s simple… close the post.

read mz.mo’s responses. thats what i needed. understanding of my DECISION despite any biased opinion of my REASON and doing so without JUDGMENT.

lol well my first response has typing errors galore! Thou shall not type while talking on the phone!

campion wrote:

mz.mo wrote:
The one thing I think people keep forgetting about H1N1 is more people die from the regular flu each year then those that have died from the H1N1 since the panic started. Not that I am down playing those whom have passed. But I do think alot of the fear is Mob Mentality. Again my humble opinion.

mz.mo, i think you are the only person here who as done what i asked, and scincerely understood without judgement. if you need anything, anything at all, i will do all i can to help you.

glad I could help. Like I said just my thoughts on the manner. And side not I work at a hospital. And the Dr’s have many different thoughts on the subject. And my department isnt even getting offered the shot.

That seriously sucks, about not giving your dept the shot, my husband is on a military base, they are not giving it to soldiers yet unless they want it but they are setting up for this weekend for those family members who want to get it then the soldiers… I find that funny you think it would be the other way around, wanna keep the soldiers who haven’t deployed yet healthy for deployment. Gov’t works in mysterious ways >.

Ok pardon me proving yourself to yourself. I worded that the wrong way.

sarisa_grimwing wrote:
You’d think I wasn’t that cruel :P I’m not a mean person no, but I’m a mother. You aren’t as ignorant though as you are coming across, and I do know what it’s like to prove oneself to others, I overcame an illness well fight it everyday that people said I would never be able to do. I can understand your plight I really can but possibly putting those around you that you love (or may not if you and your family doesn’t get along) at risk for any kind of disease that is preventable isn’t right. Unless you intend on living in a shed >.> which I doubt so.

well not trying to budge in but everyone puts people they love at risk everyday. Its impossible not too. and the statement itself “you aren’t as ignorant as you come across” seems to be the pot calling the kettle black. People have a choice. And yes he posted on a public forum, but that doesn’t make anyone wrong or right. It just means they differ in thoughts.

Didn’t say he was wrong, and it’s in a joking manner. That is why I dislike internet chat rooms at times, you can’t tell anothers emotions on certain posts. I know that people put their family at risk by just going out to eat but if it’s preventable why make things harder.

It’s a public forum, if I posted something wanted an opinion,suggestion or what have you and I didn’t agree with what people were saying, I wouldn’t ask everyone to leave. But if it’s that big of an issue now since you are asking in a few more words than just one I will.

Ok. Mums is a patient person.

But she doesn’t take kindly to people expecting others to sympathise, understand, help, commune, connect, discuss… and then turning around and being darned rude.

I am not interested in fighting with anyone, never have been. Good manners do interest me and I’m not seeing them right now so I’m going to take my leave.

Campion - hear this. Throughout this post you have constantly moved the goal posts about what you actually mean and who this post is addressed to. You are so keen to argue whatever you can with anyone who comes along, that you don’t even realise you’re actually arguing against things you’ve said yourself.

You have absolutely no right to accuse me of making a guilt trip out of this… if you feel guilty as a result of something in my conversation, that’s something you might want to look at in greater depth.

The way this is reading to me now (since you have actively rejected not only the help you have been offered but any suggestion that you do want help) is that you actually just want someone to agree with your choice and tell you your family have no right to think differently, say “yeah, great idea man! Be strong and do your own thing!” and pat you on the back. It isn’t going to happen. The majority of comments HAVE actually defended your right to make your decision, but you don’t see that at all.

Now why are you finding it so hard to find supporters? Well the reason you haven’t yet found a whole pile of people who you feel “understand” your choice, as you say yourself, is because you don’t think the same way as others do. Your method of determining choice has had little to do with logic. You said that yourself too. Your explanation of your choice merely consists of defensive remarks about other people’s opinions. There is little valid debate that actually persuades people to want to agree with you.

Basically, there aren’t many on help.com who are going to want to stand up and be counted as “agreeing” with someone who simply hasn’t given them anything to understand and happily snaps at anyone who enters into the discussion. People do not want to show themselves up as “stubborn to the point of stupidity” or blindly following someone’s irrational and ill-mannered lead.

Take what you will from the post. Ignore what you will.

But don’t start being rude and snappy to helpers thank you!

Stay well, over and out.

lol sorry I called you a dude. and I get that way to sometimes. Its just the risk you take on sites such as this.

No I didnt want to get it. I dont trust it yet. long term effects are unknown. I understand why people get it or want too. The hospital said b/c we have minimal contact with patients we arent at risk. I have asked a few Dr’s about it. And many feel as long as you take care of yourself you should be ok. IE. get enough sleep, lots of water, take vitamins. I just think the media is blowing it up alot. Yes people have gotten sick. Yes people have died. And I dont wish that upon any family. But more people die from the flu every single year, then have yet to die from H1N1… it just differs now b/c of the age groups its effecting. Thats whats scary to people. When the young die. but the media is fear mongering in my opinion. but whats new, thats what they do. :)

Agreed. If I had young children, or any children for that matter I may feel different. But I am 25 and not to worried about it.

I think you are doing the right thing… I have read the pros and cons on inoculations and I have also decided it is wrong.. I also heard that the vaccine also contains mercury… I totally support your decision

campion wrote:

mumstheword wrote:
Who is fighting your decision?

What exactly do you want help with?

im reaching out for others like me. i dont want “well, you are making a bad decision, this is why:” i need “i understand, i’m not getting it due to ____, i know its risky but its a personal choice.” or “its nice to know i’m not the only one!”

i ask for comunion and i get repression. why?

Wouldn’t it make sense to have actually said that in the first place rather than making a whole post about feeling crap and how you’re fighting with your parents? All you needed to say was “I’m not getting the flu vaccine because … and … Who else feels the same way?” Instead you threw a whole lot of stuff about dependency and personality and “proving yourself” into the equation then got mad and shirty with the people who tried to answer that stuff and help you with it.

You don’t get communion when you don’t communicate properly. If you don’t really want help why ask for it? If all you want is to count who is and isn’t getting the vaccine, say so.

campion wrote:

aeolian mode wrote:
I think you are doing the right thing… I have read the pros and cons on inoculations and I have also decided it is wrong.. I also heard that the vaccine also contains mercury… I totally support your decision

it actually contains thimersol, which is derived from mercury but it isnt quite the same. i still dont trust it though… i beleive in that about as much as i beleive in splenda aka not at all.

hahahahha Splenda is sooooo gross and bad for you. I like to point that out when people say it healthy.

campion wrote:
uh-oh, i have accidentally made it to the most popular post. now i’m worried!! D:

lol no worries. Just continue to stand by what you believe and the intention of the original post. Do that and you can avoid conflict I think

YES I’M NOT ALONE!! They are giving free vaccines at school for H1N1 and I’m scared as hell. Plus they just came out and I don’t wanna take the risk. People say that don’t take the risk, wait until more research is done.

yepp…

~CharloTTe

If the vaccine came in the form of a raspberry lollypop, would you get it?

O_o you certainly have an odd way of looking at things.
if you hate relying on other things than your own body, why do you have a pacemaker?
if you dont want to take it, then dont. simple as that.

i didnt get that shot. and i have swine and i have had it for 9 days now. get the shot! i thought i was healthy too. its horrible i wouldn’t even take the chance.

The vaccine is there to protect us. Obviously there may be side effects, but there’s a risk in everything we do.

You can deny the shot, but being stubborn about having a healthy immune system might kill you.

You might think you’re healthy, but how do you really know that?

I think you need to edit the post yet again. Better still make a new one. Maybe it should read “I don’t want the vaccine but don’t have any reason other than I want to prove I can cope. I need some better reasons not to have it cos my family and friends are telling me I’m being stubborn and stupid. If you’re not having it please tell me why” ? or something along those lines?

At least then people know what they’re supposed to be writing about and know you only want to hear one side of the argument you’re basing a life decision on.

I’m refusing to get the vaccine, i don’t trust it, and as you are, i can trust my own body to fight off sickness. I eat a carrot everyday, i eat lots of green peppers, spinach, lettuce, lots of Orange juice and Grape juice, and most importantly lots of water. This seems to be working out for me.

I’m refusing to get the vaccine, i don’t trust it, and as you are, i can trust my own body to fight off sickness.

If i was you i dont take it..
I trust my Healty!!

http://news.aol.ca/article/father-of-…

Healthy don’t mean squat.

http://help.com/post/323668-is-the-h1…

well i don’t think your wrong its your decision
but i think you SHOULD most definitely get it being as you have a underlying health issue, those are the people that die from the flu, now matter how clean you are you are more at risk to die from the flu than the average healthy person

I think that it is up to you. but I would think about it carefully. what vaccine is that? I’ve been having the cervical cancer vanccine. I’ve had 2/3 so far. I knew that it was relatively new so I tried to do abit research. my family were telling me not to get it because they dont know the long term effects yet.but if I didnt get it this year then I would have to pay for it. But a decent doctor told me that it would be fine. so i went ahead. I absolutely hate needles as well. The negitives were getting the needle and (bad) side effects.
positives were obviously the vaccine working
I’d just say think about it carefully before you make your decison. because some things that go around can affect the strongest of people. and if you ever get it one day then you may feel regret that you never had it. You dont need to not have the vaccine to prove that you have a strong body. When it all comes down to it, it is your decision which is final. no one can make you do what you don’t want to do.

I side with those who really want to know what you want help with? You have pretty much made up your mind and there appears to be nothing a person can say that will encourage you to make a more indepth informative choice. If you argue with that, than that further proves you had your mind made up.

Since the beginning of this forum you have contested the majority of these members unless they perform in such a way as to be suitable to you. Life is filled with millions of people with opinions and advice and if we start eliminating them on the pretext of what they have to say…we will surely invite a big confrontation.

There is also something so controlling by this particular author. For some people it’s better to try to control folks, rather than address their own needs and lack of commitment, respect and feelings for others.

Is there at least one person in your circle of friends and family that you trust? They could help do research about the new vaccine. It would certainly make much more sense then coming to an open forum and telling people to leave.

I think you should edit your request for help so that people can address the real issue and not be invited to be manipulated to your will.

So, you don’t want to use or trust medicine, but you have a pacemaker…

I think you are very justified in rejecting the vaccination, just as you would be justified in rejecting the pacemaker.

But, there is one thing to consider. This decision doesn’t just affect you… due to Polio vaccinations, cases of Polio in the US are unheard of. Let’s say that millions of Americans decide ‘Hey, Polio isn’t common and I trust my body, I’m not getting vaccinated’. Then… one of them gets Polio, and they spread it to everyone else, and now the hospitals are overrun with a disease that we are not well equipped to handle.

Also, not everyone can afford to/has access to the vaccination. But, by getting vaccinated you can help them! If you can’t get it, you can’t give it to them. If you can get it, you can give it to people who don’t want to get it.

Hey, it depends on your age.
I might have had H1N1 not too long ago..the thing is, its the FLU. and you’re not going to get tested for it unless you are admited to the hospital. what they will do if you end up with the flu is perscribe you with something called Tamiflu, which really only shortens it by maybe a day.Thats all they can do besides telling you to treat the individual symptoms with tylonol, etc.
I had an allergic reaction to Tamiflu and ended up with a full body rash. which didn’t help anything.

So. its your choice.
Depending on your age group, you may make it just fine through H1N1. or you may not.

I try to put as little in my body as i can as well. but, hey, you never know do you..

well I guess that is the bottom line isn’t it. What you think. You are the face you see in the mirror all the time.

My boss told me she wanted me to get both H1N1 and seasonal flu shots because I am with her baby during the day. I’m not getting either. For one thing, I don’t have health insurance or money, and for another I already had H1N1 and surprise surprise, I’m still here and it only lasted 3 days, and the baby didn’t get it because I was extrordinarily careful not to pass it along. I have a myriad of other reasons I prefer not to get seasonal vaccines, but I’m sure someone has already pointed them out….just wanted to say I’m with you campion.

wow that’s real careless of you nmh
you didn’t bother to tell the mother you had the flu and kept working with the baby regardless of being “careful”
wow
wow
and bad

Hmmmm, get the H1N1 vaccine (it’s a nasal spray, not a needle-shot), or potentially murder babies… hmmmmm….

I mean, the world IS overpopulated, but if you’re going the murder route… there are more efficient ways.

If you don’t want the shot then don’t have it…. if you are old enough you can’t be made to have it…. what’s the worst that can happen…. you get swine flu, it hits you hard… you die… but it was your decision.

I did tell the mother as soon as I began having symptoms, I did not continue working. You made some far fetched assumptions. When I returned to work I disinfected the entire house.

If you do a little medical research you’ll find that the reason the medical community was so nervous about H1N1 is because 1) no humans had built-in anti-bodies since it was a flu that originated with animals and 2) we didn’t know how it would affect humans on a pandemic scale.
Though the media would have you think otherwise, we now know that H1N1 is typically a milder flu than the seasonal flu, and is less likely to be fatal. Unfortunately, this information hasn’t trickled into the mainstream yet.

The big concern that remains for H1N1 is that it is an acute respiritory virus. For infants this means that in itself it is just as fatal/not fatal as the typical flu, but the danger is that it increases the chances of contracting other more serious respiritory illnesses such as RSV. If responded to promptly, respiritory illnesses in infats are not typically fatal.

The real problem comes, in my opinion, when 5 years go by and a child has never been exposed to flu virus in any way, then contracts the 5-year-stronger mutated version of the virus that is now 5x more fatal. Not that I think you should let your kids or anyone get the virus if avoidable, but I do think we should give ourselves the chance to build true anti-bodies.

Sorry so long! :)

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nmh wrote:
…Not that I think you should let your kids or anyone get the virus if avoidable, but I do think we should give ourselves the chance to build true anti-bodies…

I’m not sure you get how this works. The vaccine provides you with ‘true anti-bodies’. This prevents you from getting the virus if avoidable…

well i agree that the h1n1 is a bad idea as i see it they cant make me go to the bleeding hospital so i aint going i hate the placess but some peolpe are worse off after the vaccene but swine flue is all media hype i dont think theres any point and just now more people have dies from normal flu so stuf it

You are extremely condecending. The vaccine DOES NOT provide you with anti-bodies. It provides you with a non-active version of the virus in question. Your immune system produces anti-bodies in response to the presence of the virus. The problem is that it is responding to a single-form dead virus. This is very different than the response the immune system gives when exposed to a live, ever-changing version of the virus.

I really thought this thread was supposed to be about affirming someone who made a personal decision for themselves, and just wanted some support.

I suggest you find a thread in which you can be supportive.

? So if a person starts a post with “I’m gonna jump off a building, don’t try and dissuade me”, I should be… supportive of their decision? Or should I try and help?

I find it mind boggling that ordinary individuals think they know more about swine flu than the WHO and the CDCP.

Follow the CDCP advice not that of someone who read something somewhere and thinks they know what they are talking about.

I used to trust my body to keep me healthy, then even I caught the H1N1, and let me tell you, while you’re sick with it you wish you were dead.

It’s flu…. if you are fit and healthy the chances are you feel grotty for a while and you get over it… couple of days on the sick and then back to the grind. If you have an underlying health problem and catching it makes you really sick and you die then i’m sure when enough people have died everyone will be saying why weren’t we given the vaccine… same as every vaccine…. unless you suffer ill effects from it you don’t care less. How many people do you see n the media saying i had the vaccine and i’ve not caught such and such isn’t that wonderful… no… the media is full of i had the vaccine and the side effects wrecked my life and i want to sue!

“I had swine flu and survived”.

If only those who didn’t survive could tell their side of things.

Sure, swine flu is like any other illness. Would you refuse a vaccine for any other illness?

The very fact that you are here and able to churn out such dangerously misinformed information is because you were more than likely vaccinated as babies for a multitude of very ordinary yet potentially fatal illnesses.

I haven’t read all the replies so sorry if this is repetative.

Its totally your choice, I’ve had swine flu and yes I was so ill it really did feel like hell. But i’m still alive. I’ve got athsma and I took the tamiflu antibiotics when I had it which really seemed to help as soon as I started taking them.

The bad thing about swine flu is its twice as bad. The good thing is its over in half the time of normal flu.

Either way, i’m not taking the vaccine but then again i’ve already had it once so i’ve already got some antibodies.

But if you have any health issues, I really don’t think that not getting the vaccine is a great idea.

campion wrote:
…do you research before blabbing on about things you dont know. i also clearly stated that if anyone was going to leave a comment like this, then for everyone elses sake, dont.

…?

I think our differing sides on this debate illustrate which of us has done their research, and which of us has not.

:)

But, your post, your body, your decision. I just wanted to illustrate that this decision can and does affect those around you, that leaving yourself open to the virus potentially exposes many others, who don’t have the option to vaccinate like you do, and might not be able to afford the medical care when they fall ill like you can. And, though it is a small risk indeed… potentially exposing someone to a virus that can kill someone, and it has killed people… is kinda selfish.

Open forum site… can’t really make a post and say ‘Only people who already agree with me are able to reply!’

That defeats the purpose of the whole ‘Help’.com thing. If the only responses are from people who already think exactly what you do… where’s the help in that?

Maybe try Self-Validation.com?

They are unwelcome because you don’t have a valid argument against them is all. The World Health Organisation and Center for Disease Control and Prevention know a lot more than anyone here about it. Fact.

Clearly you haven’t even read their advice have you?

They make it very clear that there is no compulsion for anyone to have the vaccine.
So, you could say it is very valid here!

You going to try and gag them too?

Misinformation is a dangerous thing. It kills. I say, people want facts about what is the right thing to do for their individual circumstances… they are the people to ask.

I weep for the future.

You don’t want anyone to tell you not to take the shot. Why are you acting like a 6 year old child? My dad used to give us flu shots when I was a kid and I would lock myself in the bathroom and cry. I still got the shot. It takes five seconds. You are going to be at the hospital anyway, it sounds like.

Fine test your body that has proven to be so weak, and here’s a reason not to take the shot! We don’t want people like you reproducing…

Nobody is arguing you don’t have the right to that choice. You just aren’t listening I guess.

However, some responses here are dangerously inaccurate.

That needs adressing with fact before someone decides to do just as you say they shouldn’t and actually believes all they read.

Finish your f ing story why don’t you? Whoop whoop the cops just pulled your buddies in the van over for littering and are now giving them the mandatory cavity search in case they have any dangerous drugs like flu shots lurking in their nether regions… uh huh.

Just get it. You cant be pissed at your family for them wanting you to be healthy and not want you to get sick and possible die from somthing PEOPLE DO AND HAVE DIED FROM!

You’ll foolish not to get it.

youre* my bad

IF your an ozzy, don’t bother.
thay are giving out the vaccine to get rid of it.

I spent half a month and a few days every few months in the hospital due to my defibrillator (like a pacemaker).

Do you know why when the H1N1 vacinne was first released health officals (nurses, doctors ect.) were the first ones to get it? BECAUSE HOSPITALS ARE CRAWLING WITH GERMS, AND THEY CAN(INCLUDING EVERYONE ELSE IN THE HOSPITAL) ARE MORE SUCEPTIBLE TO GETTING SICK!!!! Also you are not in perfect health if you have to have a pacemaker.

You got the regular flue shot didnt you? Well the H1N1 shot isnt much different so yeah you need to get both unless you really dont care about getting sick, possibly dying, and then causeing your family loads for pain if you die.

No shots for me… I am locking myself in the bathroom forever. Good thing we have wireless!

Hey I have my future son in law in the house and he had to take it! Military has no choice… seriously. Flu Mist two weeks ago. He said he’s been hiding from them for three months and they finally just came and got him. Should have locked himself in the bathroom!

Oh and I don’t need it because I have superior genetics… hate it for you.

I will now be the next to die, in fact I DO have to go to the bathroom to spew from both ends. EWWWWwwwwwww…

That is a wonderful mental image. It even bothers my calloused mind.

Dont worry Campion I am still with you! And I understand the other views points. But I will be just fine shot free. And if not well it was my choice. And I am informed and I have read up on pros and cons. Talked with the Drs at the hospital i work with. And point of fact the hospital isnt even giving all the employees the H1N1 vac. Seasonal flu kills more people yearly, then H1N1 has since last spring. There is lot of fear mongering that is going on with it as well.

campion wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I spent half a month and a few days every few months in the hospital due to my defibrillator (like a pacemaker).

Do you know why when the H1N1 vacinne was first released health officals (nurses, doctors ect.) were the first ones to get it? BECAUSE HOSPITALS ARE CRAWLING WITH GERMS, AND THEY CAN(INCLUDING EVERYONE ELSE IN THE HOSPITAL) ARE MORE SUCEPTIBLE TO GETTING SICK!!!! Also you are not in perfect health if you have to have a pacemaker.

You got the regular flue shot didnt you? Well the H1N1 shot isnt much different so yeah you need to get both unless you really dont care about getting sick, possibly dying, and then causeing your family loads for pain if you die.

i never get the regular flu shot. its a defibrillator, not a pacemaker, it has a pacer in it, but its mainly a defibrillator. and telling me that my family is going to die because im not getting a vaccine is not an argument, its a pitiful guilt trip. nice try.

never said your family was going to die. I said your family is going to be heart broken if you die from it if YOUR DIE WHICH YOU VERY WELL MIGHT IF YOU GET IT and if your under 18 years old it shouldnt even be up to you.

Sorry campion I didn’t mean to clear the room… ever thought about joining the Navy?

all i have to say is if the media cant scare and misinform the public about something what else would they talk about? Whether it be the war, the economy, H1N1 its a bunch of fear mongering to control and scare the public. Its not a pandemic. Its the flu. And the vast majority of people will be just fine vaccine or not.

mz.mo wrote:
all i have to say is if the media cant scare and misinform the public about something what else would they talk about? Whether it be the war, the economy, H1N1 its a bunch of fear mongering to control and scare the public. Its not a pandemic. Its the flu. And the vast majority of people will be just fine vaccine or not.

It is a pandemic. The WHO are NOT “media”

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_23…

Don’t misinform people.

I’m bored too… do your imitation of a cow.

okay, i wasn’t going to post on this because i figured there’s no way i’m gonna convince you.

but then i saw that you have a heart problem. a kid at my school DIED from swine flu because he had existing heart problems and they got really bad really fast when swine flu was added on top. if he had gotten vaccinated he’d still be alive.

otherwise i’d say fine its your choice, but i honestly think you could die if you catch swine flu and already have heart issues. please get vaccinated i’m scared for you! :[

Me too.

Anonymous wrote:

mz.mo wrote:
all i have to say is if the media cant scare and misinform the public about something what else would they talk about? Whether it be the war, the economy, H1N1 its a bunch of fear mongering to control and scare the public. Its not a pandemic. Its the flu. And the vast majority of people will be just fine vaccine or not.

It is a pandemic. The WHO are NOT “media”

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_23…

Don’t misinform people.

lol dont join in on the fear mongering! like i said I work at a hospital.. and the Doc’s are always talking about how its just like a really bad flu. The reason people are freaking is b/c its effecting a different age group then most years. I will say to the end that more people die of the regular flu every year!

campion wrote:

its meee wrote:
okay, i wasn’t going to post on this because i figured there’s no way i’m gonna convince you.

but then i saw that you have a heart problem. a kid at my school DIED from swine flu because he had existing heart problems and they got really bad really fast when swine flu was added on top. if he had gotten vaccinated he’d still be alive.

otherwise i’d say fine its your choice, but i honestly think you could die if you catch swine flu and already have heart issues. please get vaccinated i’m scared for you! :[

i read untill this: i read you had a heart problem

the heart problem is solved via defibrillator. the hospital trips are to check the device, not the heart. i made the decision, end of story. thank you and goodnight.

his heart problems were under control too until he caught the flu, now he’s underground.

i’m not getting it. so you aren’t the only one.

mz.mo wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

mz.mo wrote:
all i have to say is if the media cant scare and misinform the public about something what else would they talk about? Whether it be the war, the economy, H1N1 its a bunch of fear mongering to control and scare the public. Its not a pandemic. Its the flu. And the vast majority of people will be just fine vaccine or not.

It is a pandemic. The WHO are NOT “media”

http://www.who.int/csr/don/2009_10_23…

Don’t misinform people.

lol dont join in on the fear mongering! like i said I work at a hospital.. and the Doc’s are always talking about how its just like a really bad flu. The reason people are freaking is b/c its effecting a different age group then most years. I will say to the end that more people die of the regular flu every year!

There is nothing fear mongering about giving facts. If you are a professional health worker, you should know better than to say something that is blatantly untrue. Working at a hospital does not mean you know about what defines a world pandemic. Get it right. No wonder people here don’t trust their health workers!

I don’t agree with media hype but I don’t disagree with the World Health Organisation. They deal with facts not hype.

You have an issue with how the World Health Organisation presents its facts?

My only issue is with how the media and individuals who in reality know very little about it present them.

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–adjective
1. (of a disease) prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world; epidemic over a large area.

so many things fall under this… so so many. Its a word used to spread fear and sell drugs. Like I said before if I had kids I may feel different. But I dont and if I work for a health care provider and they dont even feel the need to give it to me. And the Drs I am around every single day say that its a concern but not a huge one if you eat/sleep properly, drink lots of water, wash ect. otherwise known as taking care of yourself as any adult should know. Like I said I understand the stand point many have. But I dont feel the need to do something in fear.

mz.mo wrote:
pan⋅dem⋅ic
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–adjective
1. (of a disease) prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world; epidemic over a large area.

so many things fall under this… so so many. Its a word used to spread fear and sell drugs. Like I said before if I had kids I may feel different. But I dont and if I work for a health care provider and they dont even feel the need to give it to me. And the Drs I am around every single day say that its a concern but not a huge one if you eat/sleep properly, drink lots of water, wash ect. otherwise known as taking care of yourself as any adult should know. Like I said I understand the stand point many have. But I dont feel the need to do something in fear.

You clearly do not have any understanding of medical terminology do you? You are not a doctor. Do you temp as a secretary? Just curious.

campion wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You have an issue with how the World Health Organisation presents its facts?

My only issue is with how the media and individuals who in reality know very little about it present them.

are you in love with thr WHO? you seem very obsessed.

agreed. Have you researched both sides? or just the sides that subside your fears? Because thats not being well informed either.

blah blah fighting? shall i close the post
take a vote

“facts arnt fear mongering; the way they are presented is.”

I’m glad we feel the same way Campion. Wrongly presented facts can be misleading and dangerous.

ha! its your post you can do whatever you want with it

Anonymous wrote:

mz.mo wrote:
pan⋅dem⋅ic
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–adjective
1. (of a disease) prevalent throughout an entire country, continent, or the whole world; epidemic over a large area.

so many things fall under this… so so many. Its a word used to spread fear and sell drugs. Like I said before if I had kids I may feel different. But I dont and if I work for a health care provider and they dont even feel the need to give it to me. And the Drs I am around every single day say that its a concern but not a huge one if you eat/sleep properly, drink lots of water, wash ect. otherwise known as taking care of yourself as any adult should know. Like I said I understand the stand point many have. But I dont feel the need to do something in fear.

You clearly do not have any understanding of medical terminology do you? You are not a doctor. Do you temp as a secretary? Just curious.

nope I dont temp. I just know that the amount of people vs the amount of people that thus have been affected by the flu its not a majority of the world. yes its all over the place. But then again so is every flu every year and they dont call it a pandemic every year. Or have I missed that? Cant we agree to disagree? Like i siad many many times I understand your view I just dont agree.

And side note if you have such an opinion the dont be an Anon.

yep.. it needs closing. Too much misinformation and not helpful to people seeking real advice.

yeah close it. Its all good with me. I agree to disagree.