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lawl, are you TRYING to incite another flaming attack religious vs atheist hoedown?

its nt gonna happen dood, itll just end up in a flaming argument of one side insulting the other till it gts closed.
which is what aaaaalways happens in these posts. check out the last 2 posts that just closed because of the same “debate”

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:
No I am trying to gather two oposing views and provide debate that might expose one or the other and make it easier for people to chose what they believe to be fact based on evidence provided.

People of faith do not use “evidence” to accept or reject their beliefs. Faith is faith. Evidence is irrelevant. If something is contrary to their faith, they choose their faith.

So you can’t have a debate between people of faith and people of reason. They don’t accept the basic premise of the other person’s world view.

People can debate, debate can be healthy, it’s when one side starts attacking the other and it gets personal and people end being hurt by comments made.

Make me one blueberry pie, please.

i assume it was creation first after that nature selection!!since there must be s.th 2 be selected i assume!!!

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
i assume it was creation first after that nature selection!!since there must be s.th 2 be selected i assume!!!

But who then created the creator?

Was formed on a plane where existence is naturally created instead of destroyed over time?

i was created by my mom and dad naturally

i actually believe in both. and i talked about it at length in some post a few weeks ago. now i’m too lazy to discuss it again lolz.

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
i assume it was creation first after that nature selection!!since there must be s.th 2 be selected i assume!!!

But who then created the creator?

2 me ur answer is God…although many don’t believe in him

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
i assume it was creation first after that nature selection!!since there must be s.th 2 be selected i assume!!!

But who then created the creator?

Was formed on a plane where existence is naturally created instead of destroyed over time?

The your saying your creator was created naturally over time, but life on this planet was created by the creator who EVOLVED naturally on another plain of exsitence?

Yeah. Maybe those are simpler life forms from his plane, which he brought to this plane.
It’s a theory.

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:
but there is no scientific evidence to support your theory. Any thoery of evolution can be backed up by observable evidence. what is the evidence for your theory?

I didn’t say my theory could be backed, as there have not yet been discovered different planes where the set of rules is different. So it’s more like sci-fi.

may i ask s.th?!r u a biologist?!i mean the poster…

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:
but there is no scientific evidence to support your theory. Any thoery of evolution can be backed up by observable evidence. what is the evidence for your theory?

I didn’t say my theory could be backed, as there have not yet been discovered different planes where the set of rules is different. So it’s more like sci-fi.

yes but there is reall, observable, measurable evidence to support natural slection. Look up mount improbable.

In my Judaism class, they claim this evidence was also created in this particular form by the creator to fool the created. So “evidence” is not that evidential.

Anonymous wrote:

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Joshy Woshy Poshy wrote:
but there is no scientific evidence to support your theory. Any thoery of evolution can be backed up by observable evidence. what is the evidence for your theory?

I didn’t say my theory could be backed, as there have not yet been discovered different planes where the set of rules is different. So it’s more like sci-fi.

yes but there is reall, observable, measurable evidence to support natural slection. Look up mount improbable.

In my Judaism class, they claim this evidence was also created in this particular form by the creator to fool the created. So “evidence” is not that evidential.

For what reason? What reason would such a creator have to play us all for fools?

Arkia Valkair wrote:
For what reason? What reason would such a creator have to play us all for fools?

For the same reason he doesn’t reveal himself, or give cutting-edge proof of his existence. There is no logical tool that could solve an illogical problem.
You should know, have you ever tried solving a NP on a deterministic Turing machine, in polynomial time? It would take more than average programming to solve one, if a solution is at all available.
Sorry that this comparison may seem off topic to you, Josh.

God has always existed - He’s eternal. All things which exist have been created by God.

The very nature of things clearly shows that something never comes from nothing and life never comes from non-life.

This is what I think

Man created “god” to have rules and regulations during life and maybe they were scared of dying so they made it up to make death pretty

or maybe “god” really is an alien from another planet and after all the years evolved into this “god” but in the end there is no “god” heaven, hell, or satan.

however if people want to believe i feel that is they’re choice, as long as it makes the person happy, truly.

Cell wrote:
God has always existed - He’s eternal. All things which exist have been created by God.

The very nature of things clearly shows that something never comes from nothing and life never comes from non-life.

Again, in this plane.
The latter claim was actually proved, Cell; See the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

now make my reply quotable coz it was awesomeness

Laws of thermodynamics support the idea that there is a creator.

Cell wrote:
Laws of thermodynamics support the idea that there is a creator.

If you say so. But like I said, there’s no telling for sure; there’s only the amount of support needed for each person to be convinced so, or convinced otherwise.

Abiogenesis, evolution and speciation by natural selection.

Homology.
Organics.
Mutation.
Disease resistance.
Self replicating molecules simpler than DNA.
Artificial selection.
Hypertrichosis.
Genetics.
…

My point of view is combination of creation and natural selection and a possibility of other forms, for example extraterrestrial migration :OP

why should there be only two views, life is full of infinite possibilities?