I think both, ie How is it they fall for it, but how can someone be such a complete bast ard
Evil wolves. The human mind is easily susceptible to corruption.
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oh, if anyone else knows xkcd, then sheeple is the way to go :P
Agree with blarghwharagh! from the perspective of an outsider
Looking at it from the sheeps perspective.. then of course … evil wolves…
But from the wolves perspective… they, the wolves, are looking out for each other… therefore mindless sheep..
Emmanuel Goldstein is a sheep.
It’s a good question. It’s like the question is the glass half full or half empty?
It tells more about the person than the situation they are picturing.
Evil wolves puts the judgement against external drivers. He made me do it because he’s an evil wolf.
Mindless Sheep puts the judgement against internal drivers. He tried to trick me and I fell for it.
i think it when i realise i am the sheeple though lol
I hate to invoke Godwin’s law but think of Hitler. He was charismatic, charming, intelligent and evoked a strong sense of leadership and power. But his dream of racial purification and the total annihilation of the Jewish race were so evil and ghastly, you wonder how a man such as him almost got away with his bloodthirsty campaign. Were the Germans mindless sheep, or was it that Hitler was so manipulative that it was easy for him to rise to power?
I opt for the latter.
but the people did try to get rid of him a few times. they didn’t realise that if they -all- banded together - soldiers refused to fight, civilians rebelled, the war would have ended sooner - surely they realised something was going wrong?
no offense to germans though, im living with three lol
Every person can be fooled, every person can manipulate.
Sure they realized something was wrong towards the end, but the fact that it even happened in the first place is still astounding. When you look back at it, Hitler had an overwhelming majority support, partly because the other political parties were failing and partly because he promised the German people a new world in which they would rule supreme. His popularity faded with time, but it was strong in the beginning.
Hitler is an extreme case… (and would be an evil wolf)
You see the same thing happening everywhere!
Ideas are projected onto people.. who do not rationalise for themselves!
Especially in this day… where people are so used to getting stuff off the internet… they dont even think… they just take it at face value…
It is the mindless sheep in such cases… and they dont even know it!
Politicians… marketing professionals everyone does it… but they too are fooled on the other side as well!
Sponge wrote:
He was charismatic, charming, intelligent and evoked a strong sense of leadership and power.
He was short, fat and ugly! With a mustache! :D
Kinda sad that you should be bringin’ up Hitler two days after the Holocaust Rememberance day though.
That’s why I brought it up really.
I don’t think I’m that influential.
actually, now is a good time to ask how it happened.
Yes, hitler was supported in the begining, but he didn’t reveal his true purposes until it was too late to recover and stop any war. The germans wanted revenge for WWI (which was a barely justifiable war - someone important to them was assassinated, they wanted payback), and wanted to regain the industry and prosperity that Kaiser Wilhelm lost them. Hitler seemed like a straight and narrow guy at the time. Yes, the germans didn’t particularly like jews, but at the time it didn’t mean they wanted them all dead, hitler manipulated them towards that position. I am fairly certain that if the general public knew all the jews were being killed that they would have done something. However, by the time they found out they were living in fear of the Gestapo and the SS, and didn’t want to die
and don’t you US guys get all uppity about the holocaust, you guys nuked japan, remember?
Good points blarghwhargah :)
As for US guys getting uppity, it’s what they do best.
Sponge wrote:
I don’t think I’m that influential.
Neither was the one from Little Red Riding Hood. Couldn’t even trick the gal into entering his belly - quite the opposite!
i usually think of sheep. People rarely look for enough information to form their own opinions
Well you have to be a little wolf just to keep from being a sheep. I try to be a very large mean sheep.
Sponge wrote:
I hate to invoke Godwin’s law but think of Hitler. He was charismatic, charming, intelligent and evoked a strong sense of leadership and power. But his dream of racial purification and the total annihilation of the Jewish race were so evil and ghastly, you wonder how a man such as him almost got away with his bloodthirsty campaign. Were the Germans mindless sheep, or was it that Hitler was so manipulative that it was easy for him to rise to power?
I opt for the latter.
Woot, first time Godwins law has applied to one of my posts.
The rise of hitler has been well explored and documented in many books, of which I reading of the summmery will show you that it’s never that simple. yes, he was a master wolf, and some german people were sheep, but also that the repression after WW1 left the german people ripe for revolt against the world. Lot of other reasons too.
blarghwhargah wrote:
I think both, ie How is it they fall for it, but how can someone be such a complete bast ard
both, cool. But it was sheep first?
Sponge wrote:
Evil wolves. The human mind is easily susceptible to corruption.
wolves first, but phrased to have the human mind a sheep to the wolf of curruption. Different.
R.A.M wrote:
Agree with blarghwharagh! from the perspective of an outsider
Looking at it from the sheeps perspective.. then of course … evil wolves…
But from the wolves perspective… they, the wolves, are looking out for each other… therefore mindless sheep..
But as an outsider to real life situations, what do you think first?
Jolly Delta Charger wrote:
It’s a good question. It’s like the question is the glass half full or half empty?
It tells more about the person than the situation they are picturing.
Youuuur’re on to me :-)
This is the case with more than half the questions I ask people ( other than basic information exchange stuff) . If I want to know hard fact, I look it up or observe it. Sometimes when I have the pleasure of talking to someone awesome, I open up my mind and suck the juicy knowledge - but not after first asking them open questions to see how they frame the world. It has it’s down side I’m sure, but it was necessary growing up and a habit I’ve not chosen to shake.
Jolly Delta Charger wrote:
Evil wolves puts the judgement against external drivers. He made me do it because he’s an evil wolf.
Mindless Sheep puts the judgement against internal drivers. He tried to trick me and I fell for it.
Both these statements are from the perspective of the sheep. It’s either external evil, or internal gullibility - where to place the blame?
korwinn wrote:
i usually think of sheep. People rarely look for enough information to form their own opinions
thankyou for answering the question. you rock.
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Your initial response to the situation is to think that the sheep don’t look for their own information. Of course, you would at some point see other views, but this is your first.
I think they’re both the same. We can be the sheep though habit, we are their dinner:)
Mindless sheep. But then again, it’s not always a matter of choice.
Max wrote:
I think they’re both the same. We can be the sheep though habit, we are their dinner:)
sheep and wolves are the same?
Arthur McReed wrote:
Mindless sheep. But then again, it’s not always a matter of choice.
sheep. thanks
I currently dealing with two parties who like to tell people their different and the people listening are like sheep. This effected my reply, sorry:)
After I’ve given it more thought, the term sheep and wolves are too limited. Donkeys, monkeys, snakes, turtles, doves, puppies and don’t forget the Orangutans…lol.
Oh well, it’s great we have Shepard’s:)
Sponge wrote:
I hate to invoke Godwin’s law but think of Hitler. He was charismatic, charming, intelligent and evoked a strong sense of leadership and power. But his dream of racial purification and the total annihilation of the Jewish race were so evil and ghastly, you wonder how a man such as him almost got away with his bloodthirsty campaign. Were the Germans mindless sheep, or was it that Hitler was so manipulative that it was easy for him to rise to power?
I opt for the latter.
Hilter did this by using mass hypnosis.
The German people much to their credit are a very inteliegent group.
But that same quality makes them more prone to hypnosis.
spiratec9 wrote:
Sponge wrote:
I hate to invoke Godwin’s law but think of Hitler. He was charismatic, charming, intelligent and evoked a strong sense of leadership and power. But his dream of racial purification and the total annihilation of the Jewish race were so evil and ghastly, you wonder how a man such as him almost got away with his bloodthirsty campaign. Were the Germans mindless sheep, or was it that Hitler was so manipulative that it was easy for him to rise to power?
I opt for the latter.
Hilter did this by using mass hypnosis.
The German people much to their credit are a very inteliegent group.
But that same quality makes them more prone to hypnosis.
More like making promises to the German people who felt oppressed by the impact of losing WWI and the related constraints put on their nation by the victors of WWI. Promises of a stronger Germany. He also pushed the blame off of the German people by blaming other groups of people. The people bought into that idea and acted upon it which fed him more power and the cycle spun into WWII.
takes two to tango…
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