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Oh yeah, like Jesus never wanked…

They believe that every time you masturbate god kills a kitten.

Go there:
http://net-burst.net/sexuality/mastur…
http://ldolphin.org/Mast.shtml
and leave us with such questions …

kain16 wrote:
They believe that every time you masturbate god kills a kitten.

But obviously God only knows what you’re up to because he watches you masterbate ;) Pervert :S

~Darkness~ wrote:

kain16 wrote:
They believe that every time you masturbate god kills a kitten.

But obviously God only knows what you’re up to because he watches you masterbate ;) Pervert :S

exactly….and whats he doing while hes watching….i know what i do when i watch porn^^

A youth asked: “Is masturbation an unforgivable sin?” Masturbation is not mentioned at all in the Bible. The practice was common in the Greek-speaking world during Bible times, and several Greek words were used to describe the practice. But not one of these words is used in the Bible.
Since masturbation is not directly condemned in the Bible, does this mean it is harmless? Absolutely not! Though it is not classed with such gross sins as fornication, masturbation is surely an unclean habit. (Ephesians 4:19) The principles of God’s Word thus indicate that you “benefit yourself” by strongly resisting this unclean habit.—Isaiah 48:17.

However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Whaaaaat?!
I’ve never heard of a better reason to get married than being desperate for a fiddle O.o

~Darkness~ wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Whaaaaat?!
I’ve never heard of a better reason to get married than being desperate for a fiddle O.o

Now you know…

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Point understood…but a little drastic for a person so young.

But does not masturbation “deaden” these desires? No, on the contrary, as one youth confessed: “When you masturbate, you dwell mentally on wrong desires, and all that does is increase your appetite for them.” Often an immoral fantasy is used to increase the sexual pleasure. (Matthew 5:27, 28) Therefore, given the right circumstances, one could easily fall into immorality. This happened to one youth, who admits: “At one time, I felt that masturbation could relieve frustration without my getting involved with a female. Yet I developed an overpowering desire to do so.” He committed fornication. Not surprisingly, a nationwide study revealed that the majority of adolescents who masturbated were also committing fornication. They outnumbered those who were virgins by 50 percent!

This was supposed to come before that….sorry

“Deaden, therefore, your body members,” urges the Bible, “as respects . . . sexual appetite.” (Colossians 3:5) “Sexual appetite” refers not to normal sexual feelings but to passion that is out of control. Such “sexual appetite” can thus lead to one’s indulging in gross acts, as described by Paul at Romans 1:26, 27.

There is no evidence to show that masturbating medically harms you or mentally harms you(with the odd exception of say porn addiction and such but thats an entirely different problem) most people masterbate, most people have sex while not being married, oh what a wonderfull modern world we live in.

Erased wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Point understood…but a little drastic for a person so young.

Yes I agree with you… When you are young and having first experience of “these feelings” are very hard to control…

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

I’m not sure many people would be willing to marry someone who could not control their desires.

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

so if you’re horny you should just marry someone for the sake of sex instead of just jacking off? LOL, don’t you just love the Bible?

Same as ’secular’ = An enjoyable waste of time and energy.

fractal.scatter wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

I’m not sure many people would be willing to marry someone who could not control their desires.

In my church pastors start something like arranging marriage for the youth at certain age. I guess based on this verse, you trying to prevent the “burn”. I dont quite agree with it, but happens….

love4tacobell wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

so if you’re horny you should just marry someone for the sake of sex instead of just jacking off? LOL, don’t you just love the Bible?

You know its not like that… as humans you need someone so better be in a committed relationship - marriage…

Anonymous wrote:
You know its not like that…

o.O Who says?

fractal.scatter wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You know its not like that…

o.O Who says?

I said…

The difficulty with questions such as this is the broad term “Christian”. What particular branch of Christianity?

There is no “one” unique view because there is no “one”, solitary faith.

(hence it gets a bit tedious when non-christians lump everyone under the same umbrella and spout a whole heap of nonsense about what “they” believe…)

You might like to read up on this as a starting point though…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiou…

Anonymous wrote:

fractal.scatter wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
You know its not like that…

o.O Who says?

I said…

Are you Jesus Christ?

Erased wrote:
A youth asked: “Is masturbation an unforgivable sin?” Masturbation is not mentioned at all in the Bible. The practice was common in the Greek-speaking world during Bible times, and several Greek words were used to describe the practice. But not one of these words is used in the Bible.
Since masturbation is not directly condemned in the Bible, does this mean it is harmless? Absolutely not! Though it is not classed with such gross sins as fornication, masturbation is surely an unclean habit. (Ephesians 4:19) The principles of God’s Word thus indicate that you “benefit yourself” by strongly resisting this unclean habit.—Isaiah 48:17.

what the hell 0.o
since when has enjoying the natural biological urges of ones body ever been unclean?! eating boogers, yea ok, not so much. spankin the monkey-your OWN monkey, hurts no one and nothing.
for ***** sakes you christians do love to ruin everyones fun dont you.

correction… one specific Christian giving his/her personal viewpoint.. not “christians” per se.

true, my bad

bobosnickums wrote:
true, my bad

First of all bob.the above comments made by me are not for you. They are the person that asked the question. She wanted to know if it was an indecent practice for a Christian from a biblical stand point. I’m not trying to ruin your fun bob. go…wack off if you must. I just find it funny how you feel you have to attack another persons comment when it was not intended for you in the first place. And my comment was not based on my own personal opinion. It was biblical and to drive home the point there were a few quotes from others added to it. Such as: “At one time, I felt that masturbation could relieve frustration without my getting involved with a female. Yet I developed an overpowering desire to do so.” People who try to live by the bible shouldn’t be looked down on. Unfortunately in the society we live in what is good seems bad and what is bad seems good. (Isaiah 5:20) It’s easier to give in to the temptation than it is to fight it. People are always going to have there own personal opinion in spite of what the bible says. If you don’t live by bible standards that doesn’t make you a bad person it just puts you a odds with God so to speak. Sure he forgives…but he has expectations of all. If you’re willing to accepts those expectations and try to live up to them he promises to enrich your life for it. (Not necessarily with money)

okay..my rant is over.

Anonymous wrote:

fractal.scatter wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

I’m not sure many people would be willing to marry someone who could not control their desires.

In my church pastors start something like arranging marriage for the youth at certain age. I guess based on this verse, you trying to prevent the “burn”. I dont quite agree with it, but happens….

Your pastor is taking that scripture way to far. It doesn’t mean get married when you’re young…that’s stupid. What young person doesn’t have sexual urges. It is intended though, for someone who is of age to get married. This particular person can’t seem to come to grips with his or her sexual drive. And instead of commenting fornication chooses to get married. They’ve chosen marriage as a way to keep from sinning against God. That doesn’t mean that that person goes into marriage half cocked either. They must understand what it means to get married and try not to rush into to. That would only lead to more problems. That scripture is intended for the someone spiritually mature enough to understand that there is more implied with to it that just getting married because you have sexual urges.

i didnt attack anyones comment, i gave my opinion as you did yours. if you dont want secular views, dont post on a secular site.
the example you give is one of addiction to masturbation, which does not happen to everyone, only to those with issues with addiction and sex in the first place. you cant just say that everyone who masturbates is going to be overwhelmed with the desire to jerk it all the time and ruin their lives, because its simply not true. there are 6 billion people on the planet, and a very small minority of them struggle with chronic masturbation issues.
we have natural biological urges that compel us to fornicate and reproduce. that is how we evolved, that is our chemical makeup, that is just how it is.
surely its better to jerk the monkey once or twice a week then head out and have the dreaded premarital sex, or go totally insane and become shameful about it and develop a whole nother set of issues that all boils back down to the fact that we are at the simplest, animals who like to root each other.

@ bobosnickums: well said!

You need to consider what is going on in your mind. Anything that is wrong to do in real life is wrong to fantasize about.

ReeDeeDee! wrote:
You need to consider what is going on in your mind. Anything that is wrong to do in real life is wrong to fantasize about.

Appeal!
Fantasy is _completely_ free! Would it not be so, e.g. millions of books about blood and thunder would have to be banned!

zirbel_ch wrote:

ReeDeeDee! wrote:
You need to consider what is going on in your mind. Anything that is wrong to do in real life is wrong to fantasize about.

Appeal!
Fantasy is _completely_ free! Would it not be so, e.g. millions of books about blood and thunder would have to be banned!

But this is a principle found in scripture, and we Christians believe the Bible to be the Word of God to us. How well do you know yourself? Do you want to REALLY know what you are like? Then just examine your secret thought life - that is who you REALLY are! What you fantasize about simply reveals what you are about. Just because you refrain from actually acting it out (for whatever reason) doesn’t mean you aren’t that - you ARE that, but secretly so.

I can only hope that “Christians”of that style never come to power. This is even worse than fundamental Islamists …

correction: “we Christians” should read “the branch of Christianity I adhere to”…

(sorry to harp on but there is not just one kind of Christian and there is not just one version of “the Bible”, there are many translations of the original Hebrew scriptures)/

I don’t in any way challenge or disagree with your personal viewpoint (and it is a personal viewpoint since it is your interpretation of the Bible but not necessarily that of other Christians…) but please understand that not all Christians think the same on this matter?

Are monkeys consciously sinning when they engage in masturbation, which they do frequently?

Me? I think that if God created us, he understands us. Yes, to masturbate with thoughts of evil intent is not a good thing..to do it in public is anti-social and disturbing.. but can we honestly say that a child who discovers a certain physical pleasure from exploring his body is committing a sin?

It is not the ACT of masturbation which God would disapprove of. It’s your thoughts and intentions - if there is no hurt or malice, no anti-social behaviour, no desire to demean another, if you can control yourself and do not allow it to take an unhealthy stance in your (or anyone else’s life) …if what you do is simply explore the magical gifts you have been blessed with and love your God for having blessed you with them… is there a problem?

I figured Christians didn’t want to “spill the seeds”.

Besides, there’s proven scientific results that show occasional masturbation is actually good for your health and relieves stress.

And I don’t know how accurate this number is on a global scale but a random sample survey done in the USA shows 95% of men masturbate. I don’t remember of the sample included women or not. I only remember the men

I think it’s aload of rubbish to be honest. There’s nothing wrong with it. isn’t that a catholic view? they do spoil alot of things. ever heard of the magdalen asylums? It’s just a form of controlling people to do what you want them to do in my own opinion. I think that one person must have had this view and then decided to write it down for everyone else to follow.

Anonymous wrote:
I figured Christians didn’t want to “spill the seeds”.

Besides, there’s proven scientific results that show occasional masturbation is actually good for your health and relieves stress.

And I don’t know how accurate this number is on a global scale but a random sample survey done in the USA shows 95% of men masturbate. I don’t remember of the sample included women or not. I only remember the men

oh it will be more than 95% lol unless 5% have no hands.

If somethings wrong with masturbation, everyone should just kill themselves.

“What’s the Christian view of masturbation?”

It depends on who you ask.

“And what does the Bible say on the subject?”

Who cares?

You shouldn’t worry about what others think, as a minister I can say that masturbation is a natural thing and it does relief stress. I my self have used it and if any normal human says they never did it at least once in their life is probably lying. God really doesn’t care if you masturbate in the privacy of your own home in all MY studies I haven’t found it to be a sin in itself. What may (in some circles) constitute it as a sin is what your doing while relieving yourself. But REMEMBER as with any sin (i’m not calling this a sin) God forgives you at the very instant you commit it, tell him your sorry He knows as humans we cannot control certain things.
It’s like when a parent knows you did something wrong and wants you to admit i, God knows your gonna sin, ADMIT IT TO HIM ONLY, in prayer.

I mean, the right answer for
“What’s the Christian view of masturbation?”
is:
They view from top to bottom, like most people who masturbate, no?

Maybe if more priest of a certain denomination masturbated more they wouldn’t be in the trouble they face now.

Please remember that the original poster here is only 14 folks.

yeah but catholics believed that people who had children out of wedlock were like deamons and were going to go to Hell. They also believed that if a girl was raped it was their fault and they were going to go to Hell for that.They were dirty and never going to be forgiven by God. so I wouldn’t believe or take into account anything a catholic has to say. There’s more of us than them. I say if they have a problem then they’re outgroup. There’s more of us than them lol

Saint paul thought that females should never talk in church but men had the right and girls had to ask their husbands at home. That’s proper sexist. It seriously is a form of control. I think all of religion is to a degree.

But with 14 he is quite late to start masturbating.

She.

I just mentioned it so that people were aware to keep their responses suitable for a minor.

Friend of the World wrote:
Maybe if more priest of a certain denomination masturbated more they wouldn’t be in the trouble they face now.

Hahahhaha sooo true. LMAO!

I believe that if you are going to read things and words from the Bible, don’t take it all literally. Think about it yourself and pick out parts that sounds logical and don’t try and be someone who obeys all the rules in the Bible. Agree with some and disagree with some. Honestly, you would make yourself go insane if you tried to do everything “right”. because there really is no such thing as perfect. You would make yourself ill if you tried.

Its nothing to be ashamed of and God loves you no matter what its natural growing up process. I had to deal with this with my daughter its OK.

jetmoose wrote:
I believe that if you are going to read things and words from the Bible, don’t take it all literally. Think about it yourself and pick out parts that sounds logical and don’t try and be someone who obeys all the rules in the Bible. Agree with some and disagree with some. Honestly, you would make yourself go insane if you tried to do everything “right”. because there really is no such thing as perfect. You would make yourself ill if you tried.

Off topic….
Good to see you again jetmoose. You are missed.

love4tacobell wrote:

Friend of the World wrote:
Maybe if more priest of a certain denomination masturbated more they wouldn’t be in the trouble they face now.

Hahahhaha sooo true. LMAO!

heh heh heh!! that’s kind of like black humour. well maybe if they didn’t “marry” the church!! males and females were made to have kids. if they weren’t meant to then they wouldn’t have the bits!

yeah it’s perfectly normal, infact if one doesn’t then it’s more likely that they have a problem or that their bodies aren’t working right

Is it like breastfeeding though? A purely natural process that really should be legal to do in public?

No anon, it isn’t - whilst both are perfectly natural, one is necessary to feed a hungry child. The other is about exploring one’s sexuality.

Masturbation should remain a private act a) because you could affect a person who witnesses it negatively (imagine if they were struggling with their sexuality or had been abused ?) b) because an onlooker/witness cannot know what thoughts are inside your head - as far as they are concerned you could be an abuser or have perverted ideas towards them c) It’s not fair to cause people distress with insensitive behaviour that takes no account of their feelings and worries. d) It is likely to gain you the attention of some seriously undesirable characters and put you in danger.

With breastfeeding, you don’t always have an option. Baby must be fed. With masturbation, you can exercise self-control and wait until you are in the privacy of your home.

I think we’re going off-topic now, so let’s try and focus on the poster’s question and help with that.

Thats good. only joking by the way.

you not hurting anyone so wheres the problem? god and jesus teach love and tolerace therefor…enjoy

Why should Jesus not have masturbated? We just don’t know it, because whether or not someone masturbates is never mentioned of any people in the world, since Adam and Eve. Nobody cares about.

There’s nothing in the bible that forbids masturbation. There was a doctrine that was added in early churches which forbade it because they believed that sex and marriage were invented by Jehovah to satisfy their sinful desires in a holy manner. Although, the “more serious” Christians were to lead lives of celibacy. There is also a more contemporary source of this idea. Genesis 38:8-9 is often misinterpreted and taken out of context for the basis of masturbation and birth control doctrines. Obviously, however, this is ludicrous.

Also, masturbation has many health benefits. Among women that includes, but isn’t limited to, the following: prevent cervical infections, helps relieve urinary tract infections, improves cardiovascular health, lowers risk of type-2 diabetes, fights insomnia via hormonal/tension release, increases pelvic floor strength, improves mood, relieves stress, and gains confidence.

никто не wrote:
I masturbate all the time. Who cares. I love doing it. I am in debt and I am never going to get married; of course I will meet some friendly girls along the way.

But to answer your question, the bible condone such and consider it as a sin, a sexual sin, and that you will definitely go to hell.

Untrue, the bible doesn’t mention masturbation anywhere.

wow this post has developed alot since i left it;P ok to anyone who happens to read this post and actualy cares what the fundy christians say, there is nothing wrong with masturbating it is completely natural and does not lead to you obessing about sex etc etc. It is a part of being human and anyone who tells you different is deluded or a moron. BOOM

There are two realms encased in the mind. One - fantasy. Two - reality. If you can tell the difference, you can play with yourself. For some reason they don’t think that schism is comprehensible. And when I say they, you know who I mean… unfortunately we can’t levy provisions to protect ourselves completely. Hence - team work, moral certainties, etc. etc.

The Scarlett letter is a metaphor for shame. Betcha didn’t know that. :

So, if you take a drink to calm down that’s called moderation. If you rob a liquor store, something’s amiss. Maybe you should pick up some book to help you get it right again. ? ANY Book.

Wow..it’s quite the issue for some, huh?
It is a perfectly natural thing for us to wish to release some of the pressures that mount up in us…
My question has always been…What sort of creator or God would create us with all of these wonderful body parts…and then call it a “sin” when we use them…????
It always made me think of a good sized head game…
It’s natural…even animals do it…
It hurts nobody, as far as I can see.
When you get an itch, do you scratch it? Doesn’t it feel grrrreat???
Same thing, I’d say…
You’re just scratching an itch…
If it bothers you, then that’s fine…Don’t do it…
But other people have their own ways…
With all that is going on in this world, I don’t even want to go through life worrying about what my neighbor is doing behind closed doors when they’re alone….
T’aint none of my business after all.

jetmoose wrote:
I believe that if you are going to read things and words from the Bible, don’t take it all literally. Think about it yourself and pick out parts that sounds logical and don’t try and be someone who obeys all the rules in the Bible. Agree with some and disagree with some. Honestly, you would make yourself go insane if you tried to do everything “right”. because there really is no such thing as perfect. You would make yourself ill if you tried.

you can’t just pick out what you think is right and the stuff you disagree with as wrong.. that’s not how the Bible works. It’s not a game of pick and choose. Its like a person reading the Bible and thinking that killing is wrong but thinking it’s okay to lust after somebody in either a sexual way or in another way. Or possibly thinking its wrong to lie, but its okay to be homosexual?

Now, I’m not ragging on people who are gay because everybody sins, and it’s no different than having sex before marriage or lying or any sin for that matter, and people shouldn’t treat them any differently. It makes me sad when people look down on them because they just struggle with a different more noticable sin than others, but anyways, that’s not the point.

Granted, it’s impossible for us to be perfect, but striving for perfection isn’t a bad thing, but its not about being perfect, it’s about believing that Jesus is Lord, and trusting Him with your life, and doing what He wants you to do and fully surrendering yourself to the Him.

I thought the saying was “it is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it upon the ground.” Of course I am no biblical scholar to say the least but I have heard that saying many, many times…

Well, a 2000 person-ed European orgy with cow play might produce babies but I don’t know that that sort of thing is condoned by religious people generally. I could be wrong though. And if so, I’d be interested to hear more about this ‘religion’ and what their plan is for raising the cow children.

Miss.Confused.15. wrote:

jetmoose wrote:
I believe that if you are going to read things and words from the Bible, don’t take it all literally. Think about it yourself and pick out parts that sounds logical and don’t try and be someone who obeys all the rules in the Bible. Agree with some and disagree with some. Honestly, you would make yourself go insane if you tried to do everything “right”. because there really is no such thing as perfect. You would make yourself ill if you tried.

you can’t just pick out what you think is right and the stuff you disagree with as wrong.. that’s not how the Bible works. It’s not a game of pick and choose. Its like a person reading the Bible and thinking that killing is wrong but thinking it’s okay to lust after somebody in either a sexual way or in another way. Or possibly thinking its wrong to lie, but its okay to be homosexual?

Now, I’m not ragging on people who are gay because everybody sins, and it’s no different than having sex before marriage or lying or any sin for that matter, and people shouldn’t treat them any differently. It makes me sad when people look down on them because they just struggle with a different more noticable sin than others, but anyways, that’s not the point.

Granted, it’s impossible for us to be perfect, but striving for perfection isn’t a bad thing, but its not about being perfect, it’s about believing that Jesus is Lord, and trusting Him with your life, and doing what He wants you to do and fully surrendering yourself to the Him.

I think we all realise wat jetmoose REALLY meant when he said that, and i dont think he meant it in a way that you are implying he did.

I ALWAYS find these christian vs non-religious more modern view posts interesting. Simply because it is a battle that rages on continuously without end. (And to be honest i am on the non-religious side lol)

Most, but not all, Christians will always say “God is best, have faith in god” etc. etc.

Most of us non-religous people will then usually say something like “But how can God do blah blah, religion is controlling” etc. etc.

There is no one definite solution to the problem raised by the poster. We all have our own views of life. I dont think i will be able to convince people like Miss.Confused.15 about my view of the bible.

Society’s view has been greatly shaped by representation of catholic stuff by the media.

I say close this post now, there is no need for anymore replies or arguments.

Dr. Ralph wrote:
I thought the saying was “it is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it upon the ground.” Of course I am no biblical scholar to say the least but I have heard that saying many, many times…

This comes from Genesis 38:8-9. It’s a misinterpretation which is taken out of context. Think about it, does it make sense that screwing a whore is less of a sin than masturbation? lol.

@ Blehs..I don’t think it’s upsetting personally, but I am not in the middle of your interaction. Personally I think the age old twist has always been there concerning those that advocate moral pragmatism and those that embrace total liberation. If humans are by nature carnally driven to procreate with multiple partners then the moral pragmatist would stress caution at all levels while the ‘total liberation’ person might say open all doors because it feels good. Just seems to me, where other primates have made up their minds on the social standard, humans can never seem to agree. Could just be a matter of varying levels of libido and personal discipline. How far will it go? The Romans advocated all sort of behavior. Is incest, rape and other sexual taboo conducive to modern civility? Seems most secularists are in the same line of thinking as the religious, just not as militant about expressing their views.

If god didn’t want us to play with ourselves he wouldn’t of given us hands or the need to have sex many times and not wait until certain seasons in the year like the rest of the animal kingdom :) I think the whole masturbation and sex is wrong comes from an older generation which were disgusted at being human. Just an opinion.

@Blehs its not about religion. Its about having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. God doesn’t control us. He gives us free will to do whatever we want. He wants us to love Him, just like He loves us. I mean, He sent His own son to be tortured and and brutally killed just so we would be able to be with Him. So, I guess, I may not understand why He does the things He does, or makes the rules He does, but if somebody dies to save me, I know I would want to live for Him.

But that’s just me.

paranormal real wrote:
If god didn’t want us to play with ourselves he wouldn’t of given us hands or the need to have sex many times and not wait until certain seasons in the year like the rest of the animal kingdom :) I think the whole masturbation and sex is wrong comes from an older generation which were disgusted at being human. Just an opinion.

It’s not just the older generation. I’m only 15, and I think sex before marriage is wrong :P

AVanover wrote:

Dr. Ralph wrote:
I thought the saying was “it is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it upon the ground.” Of course I am no biblical scholar to say the least but I have heard that saying many, many times…

This comes from Genesis 38:8-9. It’s a misinterpretation which is taken out of context. Think about it, does it make sense that screwing a whore is less of a sin than masturbation? lol.

I think when the bible was written they needed as many christian soldiers as they could get. Screwing a whore was a good way to produce a child that would have nothing and be forced into soldiering as a profession.

I was raised Catholic and don’t at all agree with the Church’s stance on sex and masturbation. Masturbation is a NORMAL and HEALTHY part of sexual development and there is no shame in it if one chooses to do this. Christians who engage in this activity are not hurting anyone and it is not a sin regardless of what the bible-bashers have to say on the subject.

Animals masturbate too, you know. It’s completely natural.

Hi Caroline,

Did you get the answer you were looking for? Or at least helped you in any way?

Lol i think her question mightve been answered a long time ago. Just some people started arguing about the whole issue lol

(ferociously) wrawr

Blehs wrote:
Lol i think her question mightve been answered a long time ago. Just some people started arguing about the whole issue lol

dominiccarbon wrote:
You guys are insane. Beat the meat, god gave us hands and a **** for a reason, if he exists…

LMAO

Sex and Masturbation is rated by the European Health Ministry the same as one uses Cocaine.Even Coca Cola Men John Pemberton had it as Medicine in his Health Drink .Now, Coca Cola is just Lolly Water with 90% Sugar….By the way he recommended to drink Coca Cola before having Sex…..Oh Sinners of this Planet “Don’t” masturbate Not before you drink John Pembertons Coca Cola….

in the words of ron white.
it says in the bible that it is better for your seed to fall in the belly of a whore than on the ground!
i…. i can’t argue with that logic!
you got 20 bucks?

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Being married is no guarantee of having those desires satisfied. That would be like assuming that simply having a car ensures that you can drive.

What a beautiful simile!
*grin*

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Being married is no guarantee of having those desires satisfied. That would be like assuming that simply having a car ensures that you can drive.

It’s considered immoral to have sex outside of marriage in the context of Christianity. This is why this scripture says this. You’re right, simply having a car doesn’t ensure that you can drive. However, Christian doctrine teaches that you must own your own car as opposed to getting rides (no pun intended) from others.

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

AVanover wrote:

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire].
1 Corinthians 7:9

Being married is no guarantee of having those desires satisfied. That would be like assuming that simply having a car ensures that you can drive.

It’s considered immoral to have sex outside of marriage in the context of Christianity. This is why this scripture says this. You’re right, simply having a car doesn’t ensure that you can drive. However, Christian doctrine teaches that you must own your own car as opposed to getting rides (no pun intended) from others.

With the divorce rate at over 60% (in the US anyway), I would think that walking alone would be a good viable option to a bad marriage or having your own car you can’t drive. (No pun intended.) …Who said anything about getting a ride from others?

Right, that’s why it says “if you can’t control your desires”.

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
However, if you cannot control your desires, you should get married. It is better for you to marry than to burn [with sexual desire]. 1 Corinthians 7:9

If you will go read that verse (the whole thing) again, you will find that it is in reference to sex (with someone else), not masturbation. Just sayin’, if you’re going to quote the bible, maybe you should be sure it is in reference to the question at hand, and not something else.

Don’t you just love how people take things out of context?

When asking philosophical questions All is a relevant context. The can of worms started at the OP. Clearly, christians and non alike are using the internet for their porn. Before, kids got lucky if they could get their hands on a Playboy. Historically speaking, unhealthy discourse about sex has played roles in cultural breakdown. It’s all pertinent and is usually only taken lightly by the younger minded because they have yet to make the mistake of contracting some incurable STD or having children out of wedlock. When they do, having been the enlightened new generation they always are… then maybe they’ll sing a different tune. Aside from the predictable ‘LMAO’ or ‘religionz iz dumb’. It’s called a moral standard. Food for thought.

Don’t suppose you took “social studies” in school. Or had a school based in ‘critical thinking’ skills. The brush stroke is broader if you allow, because it is always broader in the context of social narratives.

What if I started a post asking how “Black Baptist Churches” feel about masturbation? Then - are the only invited commentators black or baptist? Is the only topic using your hand to pleasure yourself?

O.C.D.

Live and Let Live…
Saves on alot of heartache and headaches.

Never mind creepy guy/thug down the street, eyeing your daughter to turn her out. Come now, is everyone here that sheltered?

Argh, I’m upset today!

Aw. anon…simmer down…No reason to get upset…
Whats up???
Are you upset with all of the things said on this post??

No, loose people and pigeonholing.

Loose people??? Like morally loose?

Yeah!,… and alike.

Well, anon, see…
I stay in the gray areas of life, becuase of some things that I’ve experienced in this life.
When you run with the crowd of people who talk and talk and point fingers at people and preach…well, sometimes that can get you hurt….
I used to wear my feelings right on my sleeve, and I’d tell people everything that I felt about the world. Not anymore….
I have no right to tell people how to live.
And I found out the hard way…
So, because of all of that, I just kind of carry the attitude of “Live and Let Live”.
Because, I fear…If we don’t do that, it may come down to “Live and let die”.
And in the long run, people are just people and will do what ever on earth they want to do.
What YOU and I feel, well, just doesn’t matter much.
They’re going to do what they want to….
So making enemies over ANY subject just isn’t even worth it…
But it DOES bother me to know that you are so upset….

It’s funny because I went through your cycle and came out the other end. First being of “live and let live” to “wake up weirdos”. My guess is I will cycle back and then back again because I react given to whatever situation I am faced with at a given moment. Currently… not so good and directly resultant of the actions of others…. which was never an easy thing for me to admit. I always take some greater than real measure of fault. When in reality it was theirs.

Peace all the same. Just not grossly deluded peace for the time being.

Dr. Ralph wrote:

AVanover wrote:

Dr. Ralph wrote:
I thought the saying was “it is better to cast your seed in the belly of a whore than to spill it upon the ground.” Of course I am no biblical scholar to say the least but I have heard that saying many, many times…

This comes from Genesis 38:8-9. It’s a misinterpretation which is taken out of context. Think about it, does it make sense that screwing a whore is less of a sin than masturbation? lol.

I think when the bible was written they needed as many christian soldiers as they could get. Screwing a whore was a good way to produce a child that would have nothing and be forced into soldiering as a profession.

Judah was a great-grandson of Abraham. His 1st born son was Er, who married Tamar. His wife, Tamar, was certainly not a harlot. We know that God killed Er for being wicked in his eyes, but we do not know what he had done to deserve death by the hand of God. And then Judah told his 2nd son, Onan, to marry Tamar and raise up children as his brother Er’s. Onan did marry Tamar, as told to do so by his father, but he did not raise up children to Er by spilling his sperm upon the ground. Onan did not honor what his father had told him to do, for which God also killed him. God did not kill Onan for masturbation, and we don’t know that he had masturbated to spill his sperm upon the ground, as there are other ways to have spilled sperm upon the ground. Then Judah told Tamar to wait in her father’s house until his 3rd son, Shelah, was grown. However, when Shelah was grown, she was not given to him to marry. At this time, Judah’s wife died, and since Tamar was not given to Shelah, she too deceived Judah by PLAYING the part of a harlot. Not knowing that the woman was his daughter-in-law, Judah asked if he could come in unto her. She asked what would he give her. And he said a kid. She asked for a pledge until he brought it. She did not accept the kid, but she had accepted his signet, bracelets and staff as a pledge. So she conceived by Judah, who we know is a patriarch of the Jews. When it was learned that Tamar had conceived a child out of wedlock, Judah said to have her burnt. Then when Tamar returned his signet, bracelets and staff, he learned that it was by him that she had conceived. And since Judah had not honored his word, he said that Tamar was more righteous than he. Their son, Pharez, is thus a patriarch of King David, from whom Christ descended.

Miss.Confused.15. wrote:

jetmoose wrote:
I believe that if you are going to read things and words from the Bible, don’t take it all literally. Think about it yourself and pick out parts that sounds logical and don’t try and be someone who obeys all the rules in the Bible. Agree with some and disagree with some. Honestly, you would make yourself go insane if you tried to do everything “right”. because there really is no such thing as perfect. You would make yourself ill if you tried.

you can’t just pick out what you think is right and the stuff you disagree with as wrong.. that’s not how the Bible works. It’s not a game of pick and choose. Its like a person reading the Bible and thinking that killing is wrong but thinking it’s okay to lust after somebody in either a sexual way or in another way. Or possibly thinking its wrong to lie, but its okay to be homosexual?

Now, I’m not ragging on people who are gay because everybody sins, and it’s no different than having sex before marriage or lying or any sin for that matter, and people shouldn’t treat them any differently. It makes me sad when people look down on them because they just struggle with a different more noticable sin than others, but anyways, that’s not the point.

Granted, it’s impossible for us to be perfect, but striving for perfection isn’t a bad thing, but its not about being perfect, it’s about believing that Jesus is Lord, and trusting Him with your life, and doing what He wants you to do and fully surrendering yourself to the Him.

its not a sin to be born the way you are born.

so, considering i am a STRONG believing Christian who is “burning” (as mentioned in scripture)with desire, and will end up “burning ” in hell if i dont end up getting married to a superhuman who can deal with my,,,,,,,bottled-upness, but i cant get married because no one wants me
what do you tell a person in that circumstance?
take a fan cause it’s guna be hot where your going?
seriously, the topic hit home and i would love an answer
i sure cant handle the pressure thats for sure

The have “solutions” for you:
http://famguardian.org/

Read this paper of them:
http://inclusion.semitagui.gov.co/Pub…

(But it’s as far away from my own conviction as it only can be.)

Please close this post?

zibel, i appreciate the advice, but i just feel lectured, not helped

calemus wrote:
zibel, i appreciate the advice, but i just feel lectured, not helped

Ask your preacher for more practical help.

Yet that is exactly wat everyone in this post did lol

What do you mean by “He either did or he didnt”?

What did he either do or not do?

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
…the brush stroke is broader if you allow…

“If you allow” assumes that the OP wanted more advice than what she asked very specifically, and that should be up to her whether she wants to or not. I think if people here want to turn one topic into something else, they ought to make their own post with their own question(s). It is rude to hijack a conversation, whether in person or online.

This is assuming the OP’s intentions are what you say. They have not been back to the thread since asking/inciting the initial question… the theme has not shifted either. Masturbation is not exclusively the issue of masturbation and christianity is not exclusively the issue of christianity. They branch out into broader topics attached to each of them.

NotJustWhistlinDIXIE wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Masturbation is not exclusively the issue of masturbation and christianity is not exclusively the issue of christianity.

Her question sounded pretty straightforward, clear and concise, to me. …An ace is an ace, and a spade is a spade –nothing more or less.

Anonymous wrote:
This is assuming the OP’s intentions are what you say. They have not been back to the thread since asking/inciting the initial question…

Who are you to decide that she wanted to know anything other than what she very specifically asked, and to set a time limit for her to come back before giving anyone authorization to hijack her post and change the subject from one thing to another…God?

Why don’t you just go make your own post if you want to discuss another matter?

Yes, we’re all good stewards of dialogue and neither is more or less. Who are you to stifle discourse because it isn’t in line with your compulsory need to define what it is to stay Exactly on topic?

You Could just leave it alone. It’s not as though there is some consistently dignified standard to discussing things over an internet forum. Sounds like fascism to me.

Wasn’t this question answered looooooong ago??

right, lets get this back on topic.
and the topis is “what is the christian view of masturbation”. any other offshoots can be addressed in a separate post is one so desires.

Here is a breakdown of the different Christian denominations.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_…

Just scroll down to see how broad your answer could potentially be.

The question may as well be what is 40% humanity’s view of masturbation.

Here are the variety of types of masturbation:

NSFW/M - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masturba…

Now sift through the infinitely varying opinions on what Christianity is and Bible interpretation and see if it Doesn’t unfold into a convoluted, inconclusive, ill agreed upon topic.

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum…

Yes! thats it no more replies people. Anyone who replies below my reply is a turd. Yes thats right a turd. So now no one reply!

I am the self proclaimed turd. Is that a sin too? I got a job a long time ago working for a very old man. One time he surprised me very much by saying did you know that 95% of men either masturbate in the shower or sing “The Yellow Rose of Texas”? I looked at him like he was crazy and then he asked, do you know the words to “The Yellow Rose of Texas”? I just smiled and said no…

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