Sign help: Is the Rally to Restore Sanity gonna be an annual event, and can we have one in the UK? - Help.com

Is the Rally to Restore Sanity gonna be an annual event, and can we have one in the UK?

… my favourite sign so far: “What do we want? Moderation. When do we want it? Within a reasonable time frame.” :)

This closed post was written 2 years, 7 months ago | V/U/S: 516, 19, 1 | Edit Post | Report Post


Reciprocity (0) Reciprocation Failure -- The poster has NOT helped anyone else yet!

Since writing this post daddypi may have helped people, but has not within the last 4 days. daddypi is a verified member, has been around for 2 years, 9 months and has 11 posts and 458 replies to their name.

Post Tags (8)

Replies (19)

Where were you?

Click and drag to move the map around. FAQ: How we place people on this map »
You can also watch events on Help.com as they happen
Mouse over the map for 2 seconds to see an expanded, interactive view

black rose (male) offline Verified User (3 years) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (3 minutes after post)

what is it?

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
googlywotsit offline Verified User (2 years, 12 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (35 minutes after post)

Sanity in the UK?
That’s madness!

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (40 minutes after post)

It’s very interesting how this “Moderate” rally was thrown by “Liberals” in response to “Conservative” rallies of similar intent.

It’s as if some people are so wrapped up in their own point of view that they think their view point is the center of the universe and so belongs in the moderate category.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (3 hours, 30 minutes after post)

for those that dont know anything about it… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rally_to…

similar intent Da? I think youve missed the point somewhat. As far as I saw it this was a break away from trying to control a conversation, to actively promoting free speech and debate. As one of the banners read “Shhhh… I’m listening to the opinions of others”

http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/the-10…

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (17 hours, 19 minutes after post)

Yup similar intent; Conservatives throw rallies clamming they are moderate rallies full of everyday middle of the road people who are feed up with the political games of the nation; while said rallies are backed and organized by Conservatives and Republican originations. Now Liberals (Like John Stewart) are doing the same as they watch their own influence over real moderates waning. Of course the “Rally to Restore Sanity” had been created by liberals of the comedic variety so seeing comedic signs like “Shhhh… I’m listening to the opinions of others” is to be expected. But such a sign, though novel and jocular, is just as divisive as the mentality it appears to be snubbing.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (1 day, 3 hours after post)

I don’t really get how listening to other peoples opinions could be seen to be divisive. If its an attempt to show the opposite end of the spectrum to someone who doesnt listen to the opinions of others, it merely shows up the divisive nature of those that don’t listen… in itself listening to other people is kinda… ummm… concillitory.

Which again, was as I understood it, the whole point of the rally. In itself an rally against what seems to have be the current divisive nature of US politics.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators

daddypi invited 7 users to read this post 2 years, 7 months ago.

giggles_loves_you_19 offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (1 day, 8 hours after post)

i’m sorry i don’t understand

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (1 day, 17 hours after post)

daddypi wrote:
I don’t really get how listening to other peoples opinions could be seen to be divisive. If its an attempt to show the opposite end of the spectrum to someone who doesnt listen to the opinions of others, it merely shows up the divisive nature of those that don’t listen… in itself listening to other people is kinda… ummm… concillitory.

Which again, was as I understood it, the whole point of the rally. In itself an rally against what seems to have be the current divisive nature of US politics.

“Listening” to other people’s opinions is not divisive; creating and holding up a snarky sign meant to imply no one else is listening to other peoples opinion is divisive.

This rally was created by a man who makes a living out of being divisive; but because he does it with a joke and a smile it tends to go under the radar.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (2 days, 5 hours after post)

I don’t think Jon Stewart is divisive; I think he’s funny… opinionated sure, but who isn’t. He gives the impression that he is at least willing to listen to the flip side.

Glenn Beck is divisive… and comes across a complete prat if you ask me… I couldn’t imagine him giving ground on anything. He is a cartoon character.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (2 days, 17 hours after post)

I see no real difference between Glenn Beck and Jon Stewart except that Jon Stewart clearly has some good comedy writers on staff.

When your main shtick is highly editing and parsing down other peoples TV appearances and presenting them in the worst possible light and highly out of context you are a divisive person no matter how funny and charming you can be.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (2 days, 23 hours after post)

Da⌐11 wrote:
I see no real difference between Glenn Beck and Jon Stewart except that Jon Stewart clearly has some good comedy writers on staff.

When your main shtick is highly editing and parsing down other peoples TV appearances and presenting them in the worst possible light and highly out of context you are a divisive person no matter how funny and charming you can be.

I guess the difference is that Jon Stewart bills himself as a comedian nd ends up being inciteful, whereas Glenn Beck presents himself as a serious pundit and ends up being a joke.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (2 days, 23 hours after post)

To Glen Beck fans Glen Beck ends up being insightful too. Incite is in the eye of the beholder. Glen Beck only comes off as a joke to you because you don’t agree with him.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (2 days, 23 hours after post)

And by the way calling someone a joke is not an effective way to listen to their opinion; I guess the Rally to Restore Sanity has a long way to go yet.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (3 days, 5 hours after post)

judging on this I’d say youre right…

‘’You have three people in the White House that are in love with eugenics or whatever it is you would call it today. … Please dear God, read history. Please dear God read the truth of what these people have said in their own words, and ask yourself this one question: Do you trust these people enough to give them control over who lives and who dies? Because that’s what health care is when you have no other choice but to go to the state.'’
— Glenn Beck

although there is some hope…


Original on YouTube.com

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (3 days, 5 hours after post)
Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
Da⌐11 offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (3 days, 18 hours after post)

As a supporter of the Rally to Restore Sanity and signs that declare it’s a good idea to listen to other people’s opinions; why do you find hope in seeing Jon Stewart “destroy” Bill Kristol? This is not an example of listening to other people’s opinions.

What this is however is a perfect example of how Stewart is more like Beck than you would like to admit. He is not “destroying” Kristol in this clip, Stewart is purposely being childish with him. Stewart is not asking serious questions in the hopes to further a dialog; he is asking silly questions that are unanswerable in the hopes of making Kristol look bad when he can’t answer them. “And the American people don’t deserve what the military gets?” – what kind of dialog furthering question is that? It’s like asking “Have you beaten your wife today?” any answer would be wrong other than exactly what Stewart wants to hear.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators
daddypi offline Verified User (2 years, 9 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 7 months ago (4 days, 4 hours after post)

did you actually watch the clip?… he got Kristol to admit that the government can provide exemplary healthcare, in the face of a constant stream of claims to the contrary… he came at it from the position of a comedian and ended up highlighting something pretty fundamental.

The point with all of this is that he doesn’t go in for the adversarial punditry that seems to predominate in the US, he relies more on the art of conversation. By that I mean that he doesn’t look to adopt a stance and make that position irrefutable; he is swayed by the conversation, he appears to accept the other persons point of view and importantly gives them a chance to speak. He challenges and at times he aggressively marks the territory he believes he has won. But he mostly just leaves it up to the viewer to fill in the gaps.

And I wouldn’t call it Stewart destroying Kristol. I think that tag is unhelpful. Kristol ends up destroying himself well enough; he had more than enough rope and he chose to hang himself with it. Stewart looks at the world on a slant as every good comedian does, and he holds up a mirror to those in the frame, which is what good journalism is all about.

The likes of Glenn Beck would beter serve the American people by relying less on the cartoon character he tries to be, dropping the opinion a little, stepping back, listening and holding up the mirror a little more. Beleive it or not, I have a lot of respect of Beck. He’s said some stupid things but he has shown a true inciteful nature also. What bothers me is that the media powerhouse that pushes the likes of Beck the image (just as in the left and right pundits in Crossfire above) detracts from a serious look at real issues. Its all smoke and mirrors and viewing figures, ann unneccessary bow ties.

Yes, Stewart is an entertainer also. But he uses his platform to inform, and rather than hammering opinion he allows his viewers to take the journey with him, to work it out for themselves. He shows a respect for both his audience and the people he interviews and attempts to talk to them on a adult, intelligent level.

This quote from Beck kinda says it all for me: “‘I say on the air all time, ‘if you take what I say as gospel, you’re an idiot.’” — Glenn Beck, New York Times, March 29, 2009. Fair enough Glenn; but if thats the case… how about you tone it down a little, and start listening.

Quote this reply Report this reply to moderators

daddypi closed this post.

This post has been closed, no more replies. Thanks!

Invite Others to Help

Seeing as this post is closed, no invites are allowed.