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Ah music

^ that should drag the people in
Allow me to present to you rather controversial my views, though slightly constricted because of the syntax of a well-known document. Feel free to question and comment, that’s what I posted it for, throw at me your rage or confusion or what-have-you. If you don’t want to read the whole thing, that’s fine, I wanted to upload a video but couldn’t, so there’s a summary at the end.
-Ahem-
TJ, put the needle on the record:

When, during the history of man, a person finds it necessary to sever their personal connection with an art, and to embrace among their natural rights, the free and individual ideas provided by God and nature, it is only logical that the person must identify the reasons he has for doing so.
It is common knowledge, that all men are equal from birth, that they are given fundamental rights by God, including their right to live their life, and to live it while experiencing personal freedom and while able to do what makes them happy. To protect these rights, groups of men create a form of entertainment, which retains its power through the free will of the people that partake in it. When a form of entertainment fails to achieve or openly violates this reason for its being, the people are free to change it or get rid of it, and to set up a new form of entertainment, based on ideas and principles and distributing qualities in a way, that the people feel will best preserve their freedom and happiness. Wisdom, indeed, will show that long-lasting forms of entertainment should not be changed for small and insignificant reasons; and experience also has shown that the people are more likely to submit, while there are causes for submission, than to fix their problems by getting rid of something that they are used to. But when a series of wrongs and injustices, in attempts to achieve the same thing exhibits a desire to completely control the people absolutely, it is their right, it is their duty, to get rid of the form of entertainment and find a new way of protecting their future happiness.
This is what I have endured for a long while; and this is the need for me to alter my forms of entertainment. The history of current music is a history of repeated wrongs and manipulations, all involving the creation of the total control of music over a society. As evidence, let me state my reasons to the unbiased.
It has refused to stay as only a luxury, the most important quality of a controllable hobby.
It has insisted on showings and gatherings in strange places, unfamiliar, and far from the realm of sense, for the sole purpose of brainwashing its audience into believing its bold views as truth.
It has overwhelmed concerned groups multiple times, for opposing with adamant ideas its perversion of the minds of the people.
It has distributed among its admirers, in times of emotional tranquility, ideas of sorrow without the common sense of the listener at full function.
It has tried to make the musically talented separate from and superior to the listeners and general public.
It has used its influence to subject us to rules lacking in sense, and invalid; allowing its acts of pretended benefit:
For instilling radical ideas of rebellion among us:
For sealing off our minds from those that think differently:
For each of these injustices society has asked for changes in rational ways: these requests have been answered only by more injustices. A form of entertainment, whose legacy is so far guilty of every quality that may define an out-of-control craze is unfit to be such a popular form of entertainment for this society.
Nor have I remained silent about this problem to people that feel differently. I have warned them from time to time of attempts by musical artists to have complete control over us. I have reminded them of the process of opening and exploring our minds. I have appealed to their common sense and open-mindedness, and I have tried to convince them by the ties of our mutual respect to resist this hold, which would eventually weaken our connections and friendships. They too have been deaf to the voice of reason and of impartiality. I must, therefore, accept the necessity, which affirms our separation, and hold lovers of music, as I hold all people in the world, enemies in absurdity, in reason friends.
I, therefore, a logical human being, in sound mind, learned, appealing to common sense for the logic of my intention, do, in the name, and by authority of the pursuit of knowledge, solemnly publish and declare, That I am, and of right ought to be free to pursue knowledge, that I am no longer loyal to the music industry, and that all connection between myself and the music industry, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as a free thinker, I have full Power to question reasoning, confirm solutions, discover principles, learn the truth, and to do all other things which free thinkers may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of common sense, I wholeheartedly pledge to the pursuit of knowledge my mind, my talent, and my sacred reason.

Summary: music (mostly with lyrics) has gotten out of hand and is not as productive as people would like to think, do share your thoughts but please back them with valid info as well. I’m willing to repeat myself (it’s a lot of text) but it’d be nice to not have to.

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Call Me Chris offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (3 minutes after post)

Are you just saying that today’s music isn’t what it used to be?

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Ashlo offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (4 minutes after post)

No sir, I’m saying that music, probably in the olden days as well, has gotten out of control and exaggerated to the point that it is accepted as fact, consciously or not, without being subject to investigation.

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Call Me Chris offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (12 minutes after post)

Doesn’t the same apply for books? And television? Why just music?

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Ashlo offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (15 minutes after post)

I would imagine (I’m sure, actually) that the phenomenon is prevalent in books and tv as well, although it seems like music is the one that’s everywhere, rarely frowned upon (kind of like books, not tv though), and incredibly invasive of one’s life.
“Music is my life” is the phrase I’ve often heard.

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Araz offline Verified User (5 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (18 minutes after post)

Ashlo, before I begin to rebuke your argument I want to confirm that I have understood it correctly.

You are saying that music and musicians are corrupting and attempting to control the general public. Music should be solely used for the purpose of entertainment but it has instead perverted the minds of the public, segregated the musically gifted and “tone-deaf”, and has manipulated the masses.

Is that basically it?

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Ashlo offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (20 minutes after post)

That’s mostly it with some (possible) exaggeration and generalization, which is mostly there because of the syntax of the document that it was inspired by

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Araz offline Verified User (5 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (21 minutes after post)

Can you give me an example of how it has done any of the crimes you have charged it with? How has music manipulated the masses?

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An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (23 minutes after post)

It goes unquestioned and is only elevated further for it. Simply hearing a catchy rhythm will, perhaps at small rates, allow the idea of the artist to seep into your head, justified or not, and with how prevalent it is in society (how often you hear songs or play them in your head), it doesn’t take long until you’ve accepted something on little or no grounds of evidence.

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An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (25 minutes after post)

I think I understand you. Music is all substance. It’s cheapened by its commercial and promotional use for sure. Music IS my life, and to tell you the truth, there aren’t too many artists in recent years that I’ve found relevant to its evolution. The talent and quality just aren’t there.

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (27 minutes after post)

I think the viewpoint has a whiff of condescension.
As free individuals, we do not need to be “protected” from anything. One is as free to listen to Bach as one is to Linkin Park. It’s incorrect to suggest that we unknowingly surrender to the music. Most people are well aware of the fact that certain types of music will inspire certain emotions than them. If they choose to listen to these types of music, they are accepting or sometimes even desirous of, the possibility of the emotional consequences.

The music industry would not exist as it does now if there was no demand for different types of music. We demand it, therefore they exist. Not the other way round.

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Ashlo offline Verified User (4 years, 11 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (27 minutes after post)

Call Me Chris wrote:
I think I understand you. Music is all substance. It’s cheapened by its commercial and promotional use for sure. Music IS my life, and to tell you the truth, there aren’t too many artists in recent years that I’ve found relevant to its evolution. The talent and quality just aren’t there.

Although I’m not sure that that’s my point, I can agree with you that there is no evolution (no good one anyway) taking place in the exchange of ideas, especially in that form.

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Araz offline Verified User (5 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (30 minutes after post)

Subliminal messages seems to be what you are referring to now. I feel like I have enough free will that I would not blindly follow what I heard in a song for the mere reason of hearing that song more than once. While it’s true that a catchy jingle can get stuck in my head it in no way influences my actions in other aspects of my life.

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An Unknown Location | 2 years, 6 months ago (4 hours, 25 minutes after post)

Aye, but have you heard of the mere exposure effect? We are predisposed to enjoy what we repeatedly experience, so as not to be social outcasts. I wouldn’t call it subliminal messages, I would describe it more as ways of spreading ideas without having to back them up with truth.

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