On February 15, 2010 the following Jolly Delta Charger Tapestry was published for May 21 in response to the claim from Harold Camping of the Rapture on that date.
Predictions of note…
Pertaining to “He saves me” and a blame, finding fault or mocking at.
Pertaining to foolish and called by name.
Pertaining to a break down, throw down or beat down and to deceive any one’s mind.
Pertaining to deliverance and a beware or giving heed or devotion.
We can expect that as May kicks off and gets closer to the 21st the media will be spinning this up to a greater degree. (A practice for 2012?)
Consider not giving into the fear.
To quote Frank Herbet’s book DUNE:
“I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain. ”
Ask yourself, do I need negative reinforcement to improve my life and the lives of the people around me?
Make each day a special one.
Happiness is attained when the choice benefits the self as well as others.
Carpe Diem - Sieze the day.
Hope for the best. prepare for the rest.
Patience, Clarity, Prosperity.
Whatever does happen on May 21, it won’t be the end of the world.
Peace be with you all.
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How very un-Biblical for a professing Christian. Isn’t there something in there like, “But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only”? Reminds me of all the failed prophecies the Jehova’s Witnesses made back in the early 1900’s.
…I wonder how he’s going to feel when the world doesn’t end. Probably the same way he felt when he predicted it would happen on September 6, 1994 and it didn’t.
losprophet wrote: I second clozy. Thanks for adding that blackbook!
…I wonder how he’s going to feel when the world doesn’t end. Probably the same way he felt when he predicted it would happen on September 6, 1994 and it didn’t.
clozy101 wrote: That was actually a really interesting video
losprophet wrote: I second clozy. Thanks for adding that blackbook!
…I wonder how he’s going to feel when the world doesn’t end. Probably the same way he felt when he predicted it would happen on September 6, 1994 and it didn’t.
Thirded.
Wait, thirded? I third. Whichever sounds more correct.
I don’t think anyone knows, but I don’t think it will be during our generation. Sure, this planet won’t spin forever… but hey, what’s to worry about? When it happens, whoever is here at time, I agree and think it will catch people by surprise, and no one will even know it’s happened- it’ll be quick. That’s if it happens. And whatever happens.
i have yet to see any evidence of armageddon’s approach….. Where do people get this stuff from… enven religious books say there will be some pretty dramatic signs … that are bound to give this away….As far as a natural cause….any day any way
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2 years ago (1 hour, 12 minutes after post)
domestic wrote: i have yet to see any evidence of armageddon’s approach….. Where do people get this stuff from… enven religious books say there will be some pretty dramatic signs … that are bound to give this away….As far as a natural cause….any day any way
The only indications that I see are that we have had as predicted from the Bible are wars and rumors of wars, nations rising against nations and hating one another, earth quakes, but there may still be others that have not been fulfilled…
yes but the wars in the bible if remeber correctly are supposed to be like big worldwide event…now if like WWII were going on but on a larger scale that would make sense to me why people say the end seems to be approaching…but we seem to be fighting over the same stupid stuff as ever…. Plus doesn’t the antichrist have to appear and join everbody on the wrong side of god first….it’s been awhile but I think that how it’s supposed to go
Anonymous wrote:
domestic wrote: i have yet to see any evidence of armageddon’s approach….. Where do people get this stuff from… enven religious books say there will be some pretty dramatic signs … that are bound to give this away….As far as a natural cause….any day any way
The only indications that I see are that we have had as predicted from the Bible are wars and rumors of wars, nations rising against nations and hating one another, earth quakes, but there may still be others that have not been fulfilled…
I like scriptures because they call the Second Coming, “the great and dreadful day of the Lord.” Great? For sure, if you’re a good person and do good things. Dreadful? Yeah, for those who don’t fall into the first category.
I think that secularists will end up getting pretty sick of all these doomsday predictions, maybe to the point where those who make such predictions will be severely criticised, etc.; so everyone will be so tired of the predictions they won’t pay them any attention. Then boom! Second Coming! Haha, I think it’ll be a definite surprise, but that we’ll all know, when it happens, that it’s happening.
I think the predictors will say (when nothing has happened) that the Spiritual ruination of the world has taken place and that is what it meant all along - not the literal destruction of the world but the figurative destruction of the world. That’s what I bet will happen.
We live in the internet age, wonderous things are possible. The war to end the world could probably last, say, 2 hours max. Or maybe they will make a black hole at CERN and swallow the world into oblivion… Who knows, but my money is on the world somehow surviving (all bets are off if it doesn’t ;))
The rapture will come when you least expect it. Probably on a Friday night when you are out drinking and waiting for the bars to close. GOD will not be happy.
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2 years ago (1 hour, 35 minutes after post)
blackbook668 wrote: I think the predictors will say (when nothing has happened) that the Spiritual ruination of the world has taken place and that is what it meant all along - not the literal destruction of the world but the figurative destruction of the world. That’s what I bet will happen.
One of the guys who predicts the May 21st deal… has already stated that if he is wrong then its simply because he must of miss-interpreted some scriptures… what a nit wit he is proclaiming to the whole world the end of the world and then will later say oops no one is perfect I must have miss-interpreted something…
I must admit…I personally find draw Mohammed day offensive. And I’m not a Muslim. I just think doing something you know another culture finds sacrilegious in an attempt to antagonize them does nothing to promote free speech.
To imply that Muslim are currently the only ones killing people or religiously acceptable reason is biased to…tell that to doctors have been stalked by right for lifers… or gays who have been beaten into submission or killed tell that to people who get treats for discussing any non-mainstream beliefs in an environment of believers…I think when we stop seeming Muslims as different and start not grouping people all together because people of their religions commit evil acts we’ll all be better off
Dr. Ralph wrote: The rapture will come when you least expect it. Probably on a Friday night when you are out drinking and waiting for the bars to close. GOD will not be happy.
When you say rapture do you really mean stupid-thing-you-and-your-drunk-mates-do-that-will-get-your-*****-killed?
I must admit…I personally find draw Mohammed day offensive. And I’m not a Muslim. I just think doing something you know another culture finds sacrilegious in an attempt to antagonize them does nothing to promote free speech.
To imply that Muslim are currently the only ones killing people or religiously acceptable reason is biased to…tell that to doctors have been stalked by right for lifers… or gays who have been beaten into submission or killed tell that to people who get treats for discussing any non-mainstream beliefs in an environment of believers…I think when we stop seeming Muslims as different and start not grouping people all together because people of their religions commit evil acts we’ll all be better off
That’s quite a fair point actually. It’s interesting, but some of the comments go a bit far…
We live in the internet age, wonderous things are possible. The war to end the world could probably last, say, 2 hours max. Or maybe they will make a black hole at CERN and swallow the world into oblivion… Who knows, but my money is on the world somehow surviving (all bets are off if it doesn’t ;))
I’m talking about the biblcal references, not a world ending war in general
I don’t think the sentiment is bad but I disagree. When a group of people (I’m not saying all but some Muslims) threaten people with death over a cartoon, those are people that won’t be reasoned with.
The people who want to chop my head off or kill me or beat me because I draw their profit. I have not hesitation in saying these people do not belong anywhere.
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2 years ago (1 hour, 58 minutes after post)
Maybe not all Muslims support some of the violent things that some Muslims or Muslim groups have done… but now that some Muslims of Muslim groups have done those things it makes you wary of them all…
it doesn’t make me any more wary of them than I am of conservaative christains… both have kill doing so called god’s work…. that has nothing to do with the majority of religious people
blackbook668 wrote: I don’t think the sentiment is bad but I disagree. When a group of people (I’m not saying all but some Muslims) threaten people with death over a cartoon, those are people that won’t be reasoned with.
The people who want to chop my head off or kill me or beat me because I draw their profit. I have not hesitation in saying these people do not belong anywhere.
you say it’s just a cartoon because it not a delibrate offense directed at you…but if I purposely call you by a name I know you find offense…it’s a deliberate baiting…that’s what I’m talking about…it’s no different than in infamatory speech…it’s not aimed at progress…it’s designed to hurt and offend
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2 years ago (2 hours, 9 minutes after post)
domestic wrote:
blackbook668 wrote: I don’t think the sentiment is bad but I disagree. When a group of people (I’m not saying all but some Muslims) threaten people with death over a cartoon, those are people that won’t be reasoned with.
The people who want to chop my head off or kill me or beat me because I draw their profit. I have not hesitation in saying these people do not belong anywhere.
you say it’s just a cartoon because it not a delibrate offense directed at you…but if I purposely call you by a name I know you find offense…it’s a deliberate baiting…that’s what I’m talking about…it’s no different than in infamatory speech…it’s not aimed at progress…it’s designed to hurt and offend
I agree the cartoon is a dumb idea and will just lead to offend people but it doesn’t call for threats on the cartoonist…
There are plenty of other offensive forms of media that do not get so many threats that the FBI has to take action…
blackbook668 wrote: I don’t think the sentiment is bad but I disagree. When a group of people (I’m not saying all but some Muslims) threaten people with death over a cartoon, those are people that won’t be reasoned with.
The people who want to chop my head off or kill me or beat me because I draw their profit. I have not hesitation in saying these people do not belong anywhere.
you say it’s just a cartoon because it not a delibrate offense directed at you…but if I purposely call you by a name I know you find offense…it’s a deliberate baiting…that’s what I’m talking about…it’s no different than in infamatory speech…it’s not aimed at progress…it’s designed to hurt and offend
I agree the cartoon is a dumb idea and will just lead to offend people but it doesn’t call for threats on the cartoonist…
There are plenty of other offensive forms of media that do not get so many threats that the FBI has to take action…
yes but there are plenty that do.. I just think it’s wrong to imply that muslims are the only ones doing this…I’ve personally seen this sort of behavior and it didn’t have anything to do with islam
blackbook668 wrote: I don’t think the sentiment is bad but I disagree. When a group of people (I’m not saying all but some Muslims) threaten people with death over a cartoon, those are people that won’t be reasoned with.
The people who want to chop my head off or kill me or beat me because I draw their profit. I have not hesitation in saying these people do not belong anywhere.
you say it’s just a cartoon because it not a delibrate offense directed at you…but if I purposely call you by a name I know you find offense…it’s a deliberate baiting…that’s what I’m talking about…it’s no different than in infamatory speech…it’s not aimed at progress…it’s designed to hurt and offend
But if I were to try and kill you after you’d called me the name would that be right. So cartoonists are supposed to live in fear of death.
That is the part I can’t tolerate. It’s the part I can’t cower away from, pretend it’s less than it is or dismiss - that people are killing people in cold blood over what, a cartoon. A cartoon.
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2 years ago (2 hours, 27 minutes after post)
blackbook668 wrote:
domestic wrote:
blackbook668 wrote: I don’t think the sentiment is bad but I disagree. When a group of people (I’m not saying all but some Muslims) threaten people with death over a cartoon, those are people that won’t be reasoned with.
The people who want to chop my head off or kill me or beat me because I draw their profit. I have not hesitation in saying these people do not belong anywhere.
you say it’s just a cartoon because it not a delibrate offense directed at you…but if I purposely call you by a name I know you find offense…it’s a deliberate baiting…that’s what I’m talking about…it’s no different than in infamatory speech…it’s not aimed at progress…it’s designed to hurt and offend
But if I were to try and kill you after you’d called me the name would that be right. So cartoonists are supposed to live in fear of death.
That is the part I can’t tolerate. It’s the part I can’t cower away from, pretend it’s less than it is or dismiss - that people are killing people in cold blood over what, a cartoon. A cartoon.
Yeah it really goes to show you… I suppose free speech can be a very dangerous thing…
I personally don’t think that all muslims are bad… I have met a few practicing ones and gone to school with one, and there is one that runs a business in my community whom I see on a fairly regular basis and they have seemed fine to me… quite nice and polite… and I don’t think anything less of them because they are muslims… but I highly doubt they know their religion very well. One muslim actually helped me out quite a bit one time when I was in a tough spot and he did so with out being asked he also gave me a copy of the quran.
What I do not like about the religion itself is the fact that when you study it… it gives permission to ostracize and even deal violently with others who are not faithful practicing muslims… I have heard many muslims deny this is true about their religion… but if you study it in its purest form it is not all about love and tolerance like some people would have you believe… so I don’t think the problem is with individual muslims or even a small group of muslims per say but the problem is really with the puriest forms of the religion and its philosophy and ideology. Sorry if that offends anyone but that is my opinion after looking into it.
Everyone’s opinion is appreciated and this is an interesting discussion.
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it’s not really the cartoon…it’s the lack of respect, I think.
…but I never said any thing about the extremist being right…I said… it was intentionally offensive and that Muslims are not a unique group…lots of people commit violent acts with so called religious justification….I don’t agree with the divisive characterizations of muslims as uniquely irrational and violent
Christainity is a prime example of the fact that religion can be used and has been used repeatedly as a tool for these sort of violent act…I just think it really scary that normal tolerant people are all of a sudden ok with judge people according to their religion as long as they muslim..or some equally unpopular group like scientologist or something….I think it’s a slippery slope
It was alright to hate jews for a long time too….and we see how well that ended up … everyones hands were dirty
Ironically last May 21, 2010 there was a controversy on the internet between freedom of speech and Islam’s Prophet Muhammad. On that day Facebook relented and took down the “offending” page.
hey, we all know free speech isn’t free..
I bet those doom sayer know it to….
They have to deal with people laughing in their faces and taunting them everyday
Good for Themm! if the still want to spead the word :)
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2 years ago (2 hours, 40 minutes after post)
domestic wrote: it’s not really the cartoon…it’s the lack of respect, I think.
…but I never said any thing about the extremist being right…I said… it was intentionally offensive and that Muslims are not a unique group…lots of people commit violent acts with so called religious justification….I don’t agree with the divisive characterizations of muslims as uniquely irrational and violent
Christainity is a prime example of the fact that religion can be used and has been used repeatedly as a tool for these sort of violent act…I just think it really scary that normal tolerant people are all of a sudden ok with judge people according to their religion as long as they muslim..or some equally unpopular group like scientologist or something….I think it’s a slippery slope
It was alright to hate jews for a long time too….and we see how well that ended up … everyones hands were dirty
True people should not be judged by their associations… and just because some people in a group or religion do something doesn’t mean all will or all should be judged for it…
It is possible to objectively look at a philosophy, religion or group and disagree with its values or beliefs but not look down at the people in it.
Using the media and the guise of freedom of speech to attack a group or make them look bad is just one or two steps away from an actual act of violence against them.
The comparison to Christianity is strange in the sense I think it shows up the problems and fear of people unwilling to frankly talk about Islam.
If the religion was Christianity or Scientology there wouldn’t be this call of tolerance. No one talks about how we should respect Scientology.
So I think it is a slippery slope. A slippery slope which will end with a lot of very scared people unwilling to talk about religion for fear of offence.
I think this goes beyond religion though. What I see is a channel so terrified that their writers are going to get killed that they censor a programme. What I see is cartoonists getting brutally murdered in the streets. What I see is random people getting attacked, killed, because one person decided to draw a picture.
This behaviour unacceptable and I agree with one person who said it was beyond the cartoons being blasphemous or not. It is. It so is.
That is all I have to say on the subject. I don’t want this to go into an argument and get banned. Plus I think it’s straying from the question in hand.
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2 years ago (2 hours, 49 minutes after post)
blackbook668 wrote: That is all I have to say on the subject. I don’t want this to go into an argument and get banned. Plus I think it’s straying from the question in hand.
Yes we have gone off topic…
But I agree with you that freedom of speech needs to be preserved and people shouldn’t be attacking the media with violence when it expresses it self if they disagree they should respond with more media not violence…
Btw the world will not end on May 21st 2011 at 6pm maybe before maybe after but not then… just saying!
blackbook668 wrote: Is the 2012 one 21/12/2012 or 22/12/2012?
It varies depending on who is talking about it… some say it is 24/12/2012.
The 2012 is based on the Winter Solstice in the Northern Hemisphere Dec 21, 2012. The Longest night in the North and the longest day in the Southern Hemisphere. Each year there are two solstice days. One in December and the other in June.
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2 years ago (6 hours, 13 minutes after post)
Jolly Delta Charger wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
blackbook668 wrote: Is the 2012 one 21/12/2012 or 22/12/2012?
It varies depending on who is talking about it… some say it is 24/12/2012.
The 2012 is based on the Winter Solstice in the Northern Hemisphere Dec 21, 2012. The Longest night in the North and the longest day in the Southern Hemisphere. Each year there are two solstice days. One in December and the other in June.
Interesting have read some about it and some people say 21st others 24th and some may even say 22nd… some might even say it is the last day of 2012 but disagree when the last day of 2012 on the Mayan calendar falls.
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2 years ago (6 hours, 19 minutes after post)
we should really have ask a mayan day for these people…mean..my uncles maya and I’ve meet all his family ’cause I’ve spent quite a bit of time in that part of the world…and I have to say none of them mentioned that they believed in any of this end of the world interpetation of their history
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2 years ago (6 hours, 22 minutes after post)
Anonymous wrote: we should really have ask a mayan day for these people…mean..my uncles maya and I’ve meet all his family ’cause I’ve spent quite a bit of time in that part of the world…and I have to say none of them mentioned that they believed in any of this end of the world interpetation of their history
Personally I think it is all bogus… maybe the mayans did believe in it… maybe they didn’t… regardless no one knows when or can predict exactly when the world is going to end… there might be some signs or indications that show we are getting close but no one will know exactly when… and probably no one will know at all until it has actually happened.
Anonymous#
2 years ago (6 hours, 24 minutes after post)
we probable won’t know when it happen either as we’ll be dead :)
I personally don’t think that all muslims are bad…
What I do not like about the religion itself is the fact that when you study it… it gives permission to ostracize and even deal violently with others who are not faithful practicing muslims… I have heard many muslims deny this is true about their religion… but if you study it in its purest form it is not all about love and tolerance like some people would have you believe… so I don’t think the problem is with individual muslims or even a small group of muslims per say but the problem is really with the puriest forms of the religion and its philosophy and ideology. Sorry if that offends anyone but that is my opinion after looking into it.
Of course not all Muslims are bad.
The most fundamentalist form of any religion is not it’s “purest form”. Other religions, including Christianity, have fought wars and done great violence individually in the name of their faith. The difference is that most religions have grown in maturity so that the more primitive practitioners don’t hold as much influence over society. There are still rabid Christians who ostracize or do violence to non-believers, but they don’t have enough support to find protection in their country’s laws or in public opinion. Progressive Muslims still appear to be a minority, or if not a minority, they are at least marginalized. Can you imagine how mortified you would be if a snake-handling sect of so-called Christians were able to influence the minds of millions around you?
Perhaps instead of a “Draw Muhammad Day” there should be a “Draw Religious Figures Day”?
BTW, an “After the End of the World” party sounds great. To celebrate, I will be making a spoof video where half of me is invisible, so I can complain about how the Rapture was botched.
The Earth will end when the sun ages enough to become a red giant and consume the planet. Hopefully in other ways “the world” will not end. If our species can find it’s way past the major threats of nuclear and biological war, environmental degradation and auto-tuned singing, we will upload our consciousnesses into digital form, probably dispersed over a broad network of servers (cloud computing). An ironic spin on literalist dogma is that religiously devout people might choose to remain completely organic, and thus be left behind, while those with less religious conviction would be “caught up in the clouds”.
No matter where you go on Earth there is some risk that a major disaster may strike sometime in the future near you. The recent tornadoes in the United States and the earthquake in Japan are good examples of this.
Like an insurance policy on a car or house, it’s also best to be prepared to be self-sufficient for 3 days because that’s typically how long it takes for outside help to arrive.
I didn’t see any mention in the news on the “Cartoon Drawing” campaign mentioned in the video above. Did this protest for freedom of speech over religious outrage take place?
Interesting but not surprising that Harold Camping on Monday May 23rd announced he was off by 5 months on his prediction of the Rapture.
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