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If I build private prison, can I use prisoners as a free labor force?

I’ve been thinking of transferring my factory to other country where costs would be lower.. but then I thought to myself that the only thing better than paying people a starvation wage is not paying them at all. Slavery is illegal, but I have considered another way and I value your expert opinion. The country is suffering from a shortage of prison places and after making some inquiries I have found that I can construct private prison very cheaply - am I then allowed to use prisoners to produce my goods for market? I feed and house my workers anyway so this would be no different, and if they are my prisoners then I think I can even increase work efficiency by various methods. Are there laws that stop me from using my prisoners for making my goods? Can I ask the state to only send me prisoners with long sentences so they stay productive and well trained for longest time? What other ways are there for making money from prisoners? I was thinking of making farmland near the prison so they can grow food for themselves and make harvest I can sell. I am very thankful for all ideas.. I talked to government official and he said no problem getting permit to build prison.

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love4tacobell offline Verified User (3 years) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (2 minutes after post)

if you have the money to build a private prison, why would you go here for legal advice instead of talking to a lawyer in the country where you want to business?

derp. you don’t sound like much of a businessman.

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Jebus Zeus offline Verified User (3 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (2 minutes after post)

i would have to say, gtfo

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domestic offline Verified User (2 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (4 minutes after post)

no…anyway lots of prisons are privately run

we have enough people in prison to make a whole other coutry…. the solution is to change the laws so that people with drug and mental problems don’t end up in jail…not to make more prisons

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (4 minutes after post)

why pay for advice I can get for free? I’m sure there are lawyers here

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Jebus Zeus offline Verified User (3 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (6 minutes after post)

i hope your house is struck by a rogue meteor

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (7 minutes after post)

Jebus, you are a very nice person to be wishing me to find a valuable meteor :) I have heard you can sell them to museums for hundreds of thousands of dollars

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.Eli. offline Verified User (3 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 7 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (7 minutes after post)

If you ould build your own prison you will still be operating under orders from your government, and that basically means that you won’t be running a production plant with prisoners as workers, you will be running a regular prison. Try to avoid that or break rules and you’ll find yourself among convits serving time as they do.
Convicts can’t work a full day, they have to get paid, for safety reasons they can’t use certain tools and by law all health and safety requirements of a work place must be met.
It’s oh so much cheaper to just run a regular business.

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Jebus Zeus offline Verified User (3 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (9 minutes after post)

dagoth235 wrote:
Jebus, you are a very nice person to be wishing me to find a valuable meteor :) I have heard you can sell them to museums for hundreds of thousands of dollars

lol

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1 year, 8 months ago (9 minutes after post)

dagoth235 wrote:
Jebus, you are a very nice person to be wishing me to find a valuable meteor :) I have heard you can sell them to museums for hundreds of thousands of dollars

I would suggest you steal that one they have in Mecca, it’s got to be worth a mint

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1 year, 8 months ago (10 minutes after post)

“I was thinking of making farmland near the prison so they can grow food for themselves”

you know they usually keep prisoners inside don’t you?

“but then I thought to myself that the only thing better than paying people a starvation wage is not paying them at all”

well, aren’t we the cute little parasite of society…

Instant Karma’s gonna get you,
Gonna look you right in the face,
Better get yourself together darlin’,
Join the human race

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Yunikat offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (11 minutes after post)

dagoth235 wrote:
why pay for advice I can get for free? I’m sure there are lawyers here

Probably there are some. However, you get what you pay for.

If I were a lawyer, why would I give you legal advice for free when I can charge you for it? (j/k lol)

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (12 minutes after post)

Anonymous wrote:
“I was thinking of making farmland near the prison so they can grow food for themselves”

you know they usually keep prisoners inside don’t you?

Aah yes, but I can make a chain gang of prisoners and have a guard to watch them. Many prisons have prisoners who grow the food and it is much cheaper that way than to buy it.

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Jebus Zeus offline Verified User (3 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (13 minutes after post)

if you could help me locate my lost spaceship i’m sure i could maneuver a cascade of meteors into your domicile.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (14 minutes after post)

I dont understand why some of you are upset. This would be using prisoners - criminals who hurt you and your neighbors - why are you against me using them for making things you will buy? Is this not a good thing?

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domestic offline Verified User (2 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (15 minutes after post)

who’s upset?
People are just telling you what they think about your idea…which is taht it’s ill-conceived

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (16 minutes after post)

Jebus sounds upset :) but maybe I am imagining

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (17 minutes after post)

dagoth235 wrote:
Jebus sounds upset :) but maybe I am imagining

im upset i’m not one of your prisoners, sounds like a lax place.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (20 minutes after post)

Jebus Zeus wrote:
im upset i’m not one of your prisoners, sounds like a lax place.

You sound like a nice person - why would you be a prisoner ever? Anyway, I have no prison yet because first I must make sure it is cheaper than running my factory and that there are no legal problems.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (22 minutes after post)

dagoth235 wrote:

Jebus Zeus wrote:
im upset i’m not one of your prisoners, sounds like a lax place.

You sound like a nice person - why would you be a prisoner ever? Anyway, I have no prison yet because first I must make sure it is cheaper than running my factory and that there are no legal problems.

maybe i could be the warden, i’ll beat them into submissive money making machines

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (24 minutes after post)

Jebus Zeus wrote:
maybe i could be the warden, i’ll beat them into submissive money making machines

If you will work cheaply then maybe you can be :) I will need to hire staff, although many I am sure will come from my factory

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (28 minutes after post)

Anyway, regarding the original question, I have no idea how things work in the US (I’m guessing there is were you live.

However it probably isn’t that easy or we should probably have seen your idea put in practice. While it is a very common practice to have inmates doing some manual labor, I doubt you can put them working on goods to be sold outside. And if I’m not mistaken, in some countries prisoners are actually paid (not a very substantial amount of course) for the work done.

As someone else has already pointed out, there is also the fact that there aren’t many tools prisoners are allowed to use for safety reasons, and although you can always put more guards watching them, you still have to pay for those extra guards. It would also be unlikely you’d be able to choose what kind of prisoners you want.

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“better than paying people a starvation wage is not paying them at all.”
“Slavery is illegal, but I have considered another way (…)”
“(…)and if they are my prisoners then I think I can even increase work efficiency by various methods.”
“What other ways are there for making money from prisoners?”

On the other hand, your post did give the impression what you want is to legally enslave prisoners; but despite their crimes they still have rights, like it or not.

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The only way you can be sure of what you can or cannot do is to look into the proper channels and get legal advice from a lawyer. If you are really looking into building the prisons this is a step you won’t be able to skip anyway.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (40 minutes after post)

prisoners in jail are paid for their labor, but very little…and many of them owe
money to the state for being housed or for their crimes anyway.

They do make considerable profit off of them because they only pay them that slave wage.

The prison system in the United States already has lots of private interests involved. You really couldn’t compete if you don’t have good contacts.

People often try to get prisons built in their communities, because they provide an economic boon to the local economies just like any other large government operation.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 8 months ago (42 minutes after post)

It’s not in the US. I understand also that prisons in the US have a law so you cannot transfer the goods outside the state, and my goods are sent by sea. However, there is fortunately no shortage of prisoners here

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