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What is a mystical experience?

if you were having a mystical experience, how would you know? what is the defining criterion and how is it different from a spiritual experience and a religious experience?

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I’m making the assumption that the mystical/spiritual/religious experience is a purely subjective experience. that being said, we have a shared language which is used to communicate many subjective experiences, so I’m assuming there is a shared meaning surrounding “mystical experience.” and since we have three different words, there is also an assumption that there are three distinct meanings. and while esoteric answers (of religious visionaries) are interesting, I suppose what I’m really after is how these things are generally, practically defined within American society and culture.

why? (as someone asked) to get some perspective. I suppose I’m attempting to tease out my own opinion through the act of dialogue. don’t get me wrong, I’m not here to argue and belittle others (this is a deceptively personal question), but I do reserve the right to respectfully pose challenging questions.

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Rosabella offline Verified User (5 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (34 minutes after post)

why?

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Just Max offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (49 minutes after post)

never ask why trust me it just hurts your head in the end

to answer the ? different names for same thing——-the wording used is based on the person that wrote it what there view point is closest to them

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/35968…

this gives u a better—–understanding of it—what ppl call those is just astral plane——–this concept dates back to the start of recorded thought on religion—-only the concept of life after death tho the church is new and they basically done a great job at crushing anything that does not fit there view (email removed) years of reading to gain this

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (2 hours, 46 minutes after post)

turning my homework in a day ahead of the late date,,that would be mistical

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What is a mystical experience? if you were having a mystical experience, how would you know? what is the defining criterion and how is it different from a spiritual experience and a religious experience?

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MarlinTheFish changed the tags on this post: they were "Religious experience, Experience, Criterion, spiritual, religion, Mysticism, mystical experience" 1 year, 4 months ago.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (13 hours, 23 minutes after post)

Just Max wrote:
never ask why trust me it just hurts your head in the end

I think “why” is a great question to ask, just as long as one keeps in mind that it presupposes a causal relationship that may or may not exist.

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Just Max offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (1 day, 3 hours after post)

why

that is the the strongest one word in the whole world with just asking it —- a persons whole view life and the world can change with the same breath ——asking why to learn is all good—–but u have to ask yourself are u happier now not knowing or do u really want to know because u can never go back

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (1 day, 12 hours after post)

heh. this is getting off-topic, but since on-topic is going nowhere… I’ll bite.

Just Max wrote:
but u have to ask yourself are u happier now not knowing or do u really want to know because u can never go back

this is kind of silly. if you’re ignorant of something, then how can you know whether or not you’ll be better or worse off from knowing about it? for example, how can you know whether or not that film or roller coaster is good fun, unless you go ahead and try it for yourself? how would you know?

Personally, I’m a curious type and even though knowing certain things has brought me pain, temporarily, I’d never choose to go back. Even knowing pain has made me better off in the long run. I really can’t think of any situation in which ignorance is a good choice to make.

if we are talking about “know thyself” type knowledge, then “why” will only get you so far. “Why” also has the subtle implication that it is something “out there” which is the reason, again its a presumption that may or may not be correct. a question that I have found particularly interesting for the pursuit of self-knowledge (and as a substitute for why) is “how do I know?”

more often than not, the things we think we know are really things (true or not) that are based on assumptions, ie belief. therefore, I find that getting at the truth is really a process of examining one’s assumptions.

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (1 day, 15 hours after post)

all very “heady”

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Rosabella offline Verified User (5 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 9 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (1 day, 15 hours after post)

Uh oh, I guess that comment won’t be acceptable either!

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Just Max offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (1 day, 19 hours after post)

i am alot like u except looks like i am a bit older then u

for exp a women gets hurt or beat or raped is that something u want to know the why too because once u can understand that mind set of the attacker u are one step closer to losing your own hold

knowing why the sky is blue and why rainbows come out is good thing but knowing why this person rapped that woman is not

once u cross that line and able to think like the ******* and get in there head u are closer to losing own self there is always a point of extereme in our lives when it comes down to that point we have to think and react for our self with the knowagle we have gained if u understand everything the good and the bad there is a higher chance of it turning out bad for u becuase in your mind u can justify it

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (3 days, 22 hours after post)

Just_Max, you are conflating the act of understanding with the act of justifying. psychologists, socioligist and religious leaders (not to mention everyday people) attempt to understand the minds of those who commit violence, but that doesn’t mean that these people are going to justify committing violence or that they will become like those who commit violence.

I can understand why terrorists crashed into the twin towers, but I still don’t think that it was right. these are two different things.

understanding how violence occurs is a very important exercise for peace workers. unless you understand pain and what it does to you, you will likely become it’s victim AND it’s perpetrator. knowing pain, knowing suffering is the key to ending the cycle of suffering.

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Just Max offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 4 months ago (3 days, 23 hours after post)

more offen it does mean they will go to the dark side so to speak

most ppl in general look for the quick easy way to solve there problem

it is the old nature vs nurture fight——nurture always wins what ppl have learned and been taught is what defines there actions

if u were given a chance to make all the money u would ever need in your life time in one chance most ppl would sell out there own families for that instead of working hard each day of there life to maybe get 10 years of living like that

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