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What does society lack that you require?

I understand.

I understand all of what you have said so far. I am terrified of that understanding. But I will read what you have to say, so continue.

Did you write that thesis?

Okay - thanks - I will read it.

Simple fellow that I am, were one to boil down all your points and thoughts, would it essentially amount to saying, ‘The world is a terrible place and everyone is a bad person.’? I haven’t read all these fancy books I’m afraid.

that makes so much sense and just to say one more thing about all of this is since you sound like such a book read person how would you passably have everyone understand why you did this and how would you do it without showing your flaws as well since if everyone is so bad then how can you show them that you really did good?

I understand exactly what you mean when you say that your ’self’ is in contradiction with society. I also know what you mean when you say that you wish to be understood by a courageous and philosophical person. There are very few people today who are deeply educated enough to provide you with a common framework of understanding in which you can elaborate your ideas, and fewer still who would be willing to accept your potential suicide as a perfectly valid posit without judging it or misunderstanding you. Certainly, no therapist is going to do it, the civil authorities are clods, your teachers and classmates are all inauthentic academics, and your family just thinks you’re weird. I know exactly how you feel, trust me.

I support a person’s right to end their life in the manner of their own chosing, but I must take issue with the premis that you can fortell with reliability the outcome of your situation. You are not done with your education, my friend; “probabilistic determinism” is not a philosophy worthy of a man.

I would challenge the assertion that you fully comprehend the philosophers you cite. Indeed, I would challenge the authority by which you attempt to manufacture your conclusions. How could you have understood Nietzsche, for instance, and not desire power? Power isn’t evil or barbaric; it’s the predicate of all life; all goodness included. How could you have read Sartre or Kierkegaard, and not understand resolve? How could Plato and Schopenhauer leave you unappreciative of beauty? In fact, if there is anything in this world that you find unsatisfactory, why is it that you’re not elevated by the challenge of facing it? Why do you want to die, instead? That is not how these men lived. If philosophy depresses you, then you have missed its purpose.

Einstein, Rutherford, Feynman, and Fermi are not philosophers at all. They’re not even decent physicists. They revealed that to one and all by the insousciance with which they introduced relativistic, probibilistic notions into the field of the exact sciences, destroying thereby the beautifully nuanced world-picture of the Baroque. They have no respect for the rigors of their own discipline, and they certainly have no respect for you. I would repay them in kind.

Neither is it barbaric to desire the pleasures of women. “Barbaric” is the world-view that looks askance at them as mere neuronal excretions. If you think material things are so unworthy of pursuit, just try living without them.

I wouldn’t be so quick to lay down your life, my friend. I humbly submit that you still have a lot to learn.

I thank you for providing the link to the term paper, though. And I will check out your website.

I’d like to thank the Fronde for his post. I tried to write something similar, but sadly am lacking in the philosophical context to adequately express his point. I wonder, however, about the personal experiences that have led up to your decision. I will not waste on you the pathos-based arguments ordinarily reserved for suicidal posters. Truth be told, I don’t know you, and while there are likely people who would be effected by your death, I would never even know. I cannot appeal to greater experience, as you are obviously older than I am, and have obviously put a great deal more time and effort than has even been available to me on the study of philosophy. I find it strange, however, that you maintain that you wish to die because of alienation from society, and you wish to talk to us to prove a point. Forgive my skepticism, but I believe this is not so. Alienation alone is almost never the sole reason for suicide. I, and I am certain many other people feel at odds with the dominant social paradigm, and most of us have grown cynical enough to believe we cannot change it, but we entertain no notions of suicide. Now, isolation, a product of alienation, is often cited. The sense that one is alone in one’s endeavors, and that under no circumstances will one find the comfort of an understanding ear is a strong motivator for suicide. But you are an intelligent man, one who, if I am not mistaken, believes he views himself objectively, from an external perspective. I do not believe you are foolish enough to believe that you cannot exist in an environment contrary to your principles, and the fact that you are here, on a site generally reserved for people who don’t feel like googling their homework answers, looking for deep understanding suggests to me that you are far from the conclusion that you will never be understood. So what is it that has spawned your desire to off yourself? Only in circumstances in which one feels that the future offers no potential rewards is suicide a rational option. No one kills himself just to prove a point. The gains of proving the point are never felt, and the long term gains of continued existence are lost. One must feel that nonexistence would be a blessing for suicide to be a rational option. It is very rare for a non-concrete reason to be supplied truthfully for suicide. So again, I must ask what exactly has made nonexistence worthwhile to you?

Frattaro, when you read this we would like to speak with you.

so r u dead?