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And you are writing this on this site because…?

Ok, it’s your business only. I guess you know all the risks.

courtesan wrote:
I thought it was obvious. I asked a clear question that I need help with.

What kind of help? It’s not obvious at all!

courtesan wrote:
I asked why it is considered wrong to do my line of work.

It’s ONLY up to you! Stop it if your gut feeling says that’s wrong.

I personally can’t see anything wrong with it. In fact I’d say compared to many other people you’re lucky to be in a position to be able to have a job that you enjoy doing.

i can see your point, we pay to quench every other ‘need’ why not this. maybe it has something to do w/ religion(the bible specifically i guess, maybe there’s others) deeming it ‘wrong’ since back in the day. just my guess tho lol.

Although I’m interested in why you describe yourself as a prostitute rather than an escort.

Well you’ll get lots of answers here: some will point out that the bible condemms “whoremongers” (gotta love King James!), some may point out that sex is regarded as the ultimate expression of love between two people and paying debases that, some might point out that once money changes hadnds, the sex act becomes devoid of genuine emotion and actually makes sex for pay a massive turn off, some might see, under certain circumstances that sex even when paid for can be an act of compassion. I wouldn’t have sex with a prostetutte myself, I know one or two people who think they can build a real relationship with a prostitute.

It’s illegal, that’s about the only reason it’s wrong. More so for younger woman it’s viewed as an easy way out of living the hard life. I mean whats easier for someone young to see things as simple than to get loads of cash just for letting others control you.

hm, for escorts sex is an add-on(lol) rather than the main focus of their business(like escorting or being eye candy)-that is if they choose to do it since i guess some don’t. at least that’s what i thought lol.

Not to forget: Maria Magdalena was a prostitute too and best friend of Jesus. ;-)

its frowned upon because people have that whole “value yourself” idea goin, and they think that you are not valueing yourself because of it. also because they think that every prostitute has std’s. in my opinion, if someone chooses to do whatever they want to with there life, then so be it! its not my place in this world to tell someone they shouldnt do what they want to do. plus, who doesnt like sexual stuff???

Dr. Jackson wrote:
It’s illegal, that’s about the only reason it’s wrong. More so for younger woman it’s viewed as an easy way out of living the hard life. I mean whats easier for someone young to see things as simple than to get loads of cash just for letting others control you.

wrong, its not illegal everywhere. i think its legal in amsterdam and nevada

Dr. Jackson wrote:
It’s illegal, that’s about the only reason it’s wrong. More so for younger woman it’s viewed as an easy way out of living the hard life. I mean whats easier for someone young to see things as simple than to get loads of cash just for letting others control you.

Actually, in the UK at least, prostitution itself (sex for money) is not illegal.

Its wrong only when people are forced into it - which is unfortunately very common.

Doing it by choice? not wrong at all

Its just your perceptions i’m afraid

fractal.scatter wrote:

Dr. Jackson wrote:
It’s illegal, that’s about the only reason it’s wrong. More so for younger woman it’s viewed as an easy way out of living the hard life. I mean whats easier for someone young to see things as simple than to get loads of cash just for letting others control you.

Actually, in the UK at least, prostitution itself (sex for money) is not illegal.

In most countries of Western Europ eit’s legal.
See the map: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitu…

Then I guess it depends on where the poster originates to debate my reply.

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Just because its legal doesn’t make it morally right, or even fun

fractal.scatter wrote:
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I agree. ;-)

Tymbus wrote:
Just because its legal doesn’t make it morally right, or even fun

morally right? im pretty sure every person has there own set of morals. yours are different than mine, my dads are different than my neighbors. you get my point.

If you describe yourself as ‘high-class’ usually one would see escort rather the prostitute as the description.

So, tell us you how got into escorting.

They can be, but would you want your daughter doing what your doing? Would you want that for her?

Hmmmm well being a prostitute is all up to you really. Like everything else in this world you should not let others judge you, but maybe it would be hard for you to settle down.. get a real relationship and fall in love.

Avalian wrote:
Hmmmm well being a prostitute is all up to you really. Like everything else in this world you should not let others judge you, but maybe it would be hard for you to settle down.. get a real relationship and fall in love.

exactly, so many people on here are bashing her for it. its her life, not theres.

Technically I don’t think this post was ever about her but the job specifically…

You are fooling yourself. There is nothing “high class” about degrading your self worth to sell your body. You excuse it by the price you charge. It’s still degrading to all women. And we are the only species on the planet to do it.

It is also illegal in most countries.

_daisy_ wrote:

Dr. Jackson wrote:
They can be, but would you want your daughter doing what your doing? Would you want that for her?

I wouldn’t want my daughter to do what I do.

Every parent wants a ‘better’ life for their children. I think the way to look at this would be if your daughter found herself in a situation like yours, would you be happy if she decided to do what you did. You yourself seem to have chosen this industry for yourself completely of your own free will; what if she had the same will?

Also, if you were to go back to that situation, would you again choose what you did, or would you choose to do something else?

The words “high class” and “prostitute” are contradicitions in terms. If you are a prostitute, there is nothing high class about it. It means that you are providing intimacy for pay, which is probably the most mercenary act one can perform. It is sex without love.

Furthermore, prostitutes spread STDs . . . and they get beaten up, maimed and murdered . . . even by supposedly “high class” clients. And, by the way, there is nothing “high class” about somebody who goes to a prostitute.

You have seen that the world will use you, if you let it. It’s time to get some of your self-respect back and to stop allowing people to use your body as if it were a public toilet.

What happens when your “looks” leave you? What talents other than laying flat on your back do you possess? And how are you going to explain all these years on a resume?

How old are you if I may ask?

“What talents other than laying flat on your back do you possess?”

wow…if i was her, i wouldnt answer any of those questions.

And if you think a condom is 100 percent protection against STDs, you’re wrong. Check out the images of genital warts on Google. And that doesn’t even cover the internal damage wrought by many STDs. If you get HPV or HIV, that’s going to be with you for the rest of your life . . . and the rest of your life will never be the same.

CodyCorona wrote:
“What talents other than laying flat on your back do you possess?”

wow…if i was her, i wouldnt answer any of those questions.

I agree. You may not agree with her choice of lifestyle but at least be respectful.

chev.jame wrote:
And if you think a condom is 100 percent protection against STDs, you’re wrong. Check out the images of genital warts on Google. And that doesn’t even cover the internal damage wrought by many STDs. If you get HPV or HIV, that’s going to be with you for the rest of your life . . . and the rest of your life will never be the same.

I’m sure the OP is perfectly well aware of this.

_daisy_ wrote:

fractal.scatter wrote:
How old are you if I may ask?

I’m in the twenties. I started when I was 19.

Have you thought much about any other jobs you would like to do?

CodyCorona wrote:

Tymbus wrote:
Just because its legal doesn’t make it morally right, or even fun

morally right? im pretty sure every person has there own set of morals. yours are different than mine, my dads are different than my neighbors. you get my point.

Sure, but What I meant was legality does not exhaust morality. It might be legal in the USA to execute people but that doesn’t mean moral responsibility begins and ends with thinking its lawful so its right.

Morality is not merely subjective or relative. There are moral standards out there and there are penalties for violating them.

As a prostitute, you are well aware of the “ick” factor that is part of your job. Every time you engage in money-for-sex, the ick factor is taking away another little slice of your self-respect. You are doing business with the low-end of humanity, that part of humanity that engages in human trafficking, and every experience lowers your estimation of both yourself and humanity in general. You will soon find yourself in a downward spiral from which you will think there is no escape.

You are obviously intelligent. You need to go back home, regroup, and look for legitimate work.

If you felt prostitution was an honorable and rewarding line of work, you wouldn’t have asked the questions you did. In your heart, you know it’s wrong. Listen to your heart, and abandon this line of “work” today. You can have a beautiful life ahead of you . . . if you will but claim it!

so, poster, has any of the above helped you?

Ok daisy. To answer your question directly:
1. It’s illegal.
2. It comes with permanently debilitating health risks.
3. There is no insurance available.
4. I doubt any ‘retirement plan’ is available.
5. It is a short-term profession. You don’t see many 34 year olds still in the business and being successful.
6. Your personal safety is at risk on every single date.
7. Unwanted pregnancies are always a possibility.
8. Besides the moral implications, you said yourself its not a profession you want your own daughter to follow. Yet you don’t want society to look down at you for the service you provide. Kinda a big double standard there, don’t you think?
9. Did I mention it is illegal and jail time is a definite possibility?

Tymbus wrote:

CodyCorona wrote:

Tymbus wrote:
Just because its legal doesn’t make it morally right, or even fun

morally right? im pretty sure every person has there own set of morals. yours are different than mine, my dads are different than my neighbors. you get my point.

Sure, but What I meant was legality does not exhaust morality. It might be legal in the USA to execute people but that doesn’t mean moral responsibility begins and ends with thinking its lawful so its right.

all i meant, was morals are different with each and every person on the face of this planet. so morality, is completely irrelevant here.

i honestly think, that the original poster knows what kind of situation she is in. there is no need to keep reiderating the same things to her. she does seem intelligent, and i feel that if she is ready for a change, she will do so…on her own terms.

Just out of curiosity, do you pay taxes? Do you report all your income? Tips too? And what do you tell the IRS your profession is?

Would you go back to uni to retrain as a psychologist?

Maybe that is something you could look into doing?

I know things aren’t easy to change but if you’re not happy doing what you’re doing, then it’s worth it to work to change thing. If you you are happy doing what you’re doing for now, it’s still good to work to where you want to be in ten years time. The sex industry is particularly unforgiving in terms of work options declining as you get older. It’s a fact that you will get significant less interest when you are 40 than in your late 20’s. You need to decide if this is sustainable for you. If you’re happy to remain in the industry for the foreseeable future it still won’t hurt to start working toward setting yourself up for life after escorting.

Sorry to break the conversation here, but can I have a say?

This is my personal opinion: It is wrong to be a prostitute because it shows a lack of respect for your body. If this is your only job you won’t ever have a stable income which can affect your family if you have children. You also endanger your health. Not only is there a possibility you can get an STI/STD (could you imagine one day finding out you have HIV/AIDS?), but it’s widely known that prostitutes are abused. You could be raped, beaten, killed, ect. If you choose not to do what the person paying you asks you to do they can rape or hurt you. You don’t know the person you’re performing sexual acts for. You don’t know what the have, what they will do, or what they’re capable of. People will have no respect for you either (which is another reason prostitutes are often beaten). This will also affect your relationships. Family, friends, and especially any romantic relationships. You can say goodbye to real romantic love.

I’m not a religious or anything so I’m not trying to preach to you. I’m not gonna say it’s sinful and all that. It’s just a dangerous job. Good luck, however if you want to pursue it. Things might be going well now, but you never know what the future will hold.

Have respect for you and who you are. You’re more then your body. You can do better things. Go to school and get a real job. School and work may be hard but it the end they’re rewarding. Not only to you but to those around you.

You’re not selling sex, you’re selling out. You are using your body, which should be sacred to you to make money. That’s about as low as a woman can go. You sleep with married men, which is also low. What you do is an insult to the female being.

Sex is supposed to be fun, natural, something you do with someone you love. And it makes prostitutes seem as though they do not respect themselves enough to get a real career. Yeah, it’s great pay, but one day that condom may not work as it should.. what if you get pregnant?

Prostitution inforces the opinion that some men have that women are just objects for their own sexual gratification and not worthy of respect. Let’s be honest. Any person male or female who thinks it is perfectly all right to have sex for money in exchange for money is not emotionally healthy.

Sex is something that should be taught to be highly respected, because it is nearly the only thing one can give another… and definitely not the same as respect. So, for those reasons, I think it is wrong.

Aren’t you worried that one of your clients might end up reporting you to the authorities? You could get yourself in serious trouble if you are in a country where prostitution is illegal- especially if its a muslim country.

Bearing in mind that the client would also get in trouble. In any other case the operation would be a trap, which would also be illegal.

No, it’s NOT that easy to just step out. It will take both determination and courage on your part.

But you must do it soon. You’re living on borrowed time in that “profession.” Sooner or later, you’re going to be raped or killed or both. Just because some guys have money is no guarantee that they’re not also psychotic killers.

A very pretty girl in Toronto ended up dead after working as an “escort” girl. She had a beautiful life ahead of her, but got addicted to the “easy” money and the glitz of going out with “high rollers.” One day, one of the “high rollers” did her in.

Only God can say who goes to hell, and Jesus was friendly with prostitutes. He forgave them of their sins, and said, “Go and sin no more.”

chev.jame wrote:
But you must do it soon. You’re living on borrowed time in that “profession.” Sooner or later, you’re going to be raped or killed or both. Just because some guys have money is no guarantee that they’re not also psychotic killers.

That is a ridiculous statement to make. There’s no guarantee that the guy you sit next to on the bus isn’t a psychotic killer. There’s no guarantee that you won’t get held at gunpoint by a robber if you work in a store.

fractal.scatter wrote:

chev.jame wrote:
But you must do it soon. You’re living on borrowed time in that “profession.” Sooner or later, you’re going to be raped or killed or both. Just because some guys have money is no guarantee that they’re not also psychotic killers.

That is a ridiculous statement to make. There’s no guarantee that the guy you sit next to on the bus isn’t a psychotic killer. There’s no guarantee that you won’t get held at gunpoint by a robber if you work in a store.

I do have to agree to a point. Really you see on television all the time that it’s the hooker/prostitute/escort that gets killed and chopped up first. But really… I’ve only heard about a prostitute being murdered once. Raped, prego, aids/hiv, sure, but rarely do I read or see on the news a prostitute being killed.

Dr. Jackson wrote:

fractal.scatter wrote:

chev.jame wrote:
But you must do it soon. You’re living on borrowed time in that “profession.” Sooner or later, you’re going to be raped or killed or both. Just because some guys have money is no guarantee that they’re not also psychotic killers.

That is a ridiculous statement to make. There’s no guarantee that the guy you sit next to on the bus isn’t a psychotic killer. There’s no guarantee that you won’t get held at gunpoint by a robber if you work in a store.

I do have to agree to a point. Really you see on television all the time that it’s the hooker/prostitute/escort that gets killed and chopped up first. But really… I’ve only heard about a prostitute being murdered once. Raped, prego, aids/hiv, sure, but rarely do I read or see on the news a prostitute being killed.

Typical media reporting. The pretty young girl who got killed gets the headline. Pretty young girl gets killed on a level crossing gets the headline whilst the middle aged man hit by a train makes page 27. Pretty young girl kidnapped in a leafy suburb gets the headline whilst the missing twenty-something guy get page 12. Completely out of proportionate coverage. When something happens to a young female everyone knows about it, but when some middle aged dad dies in a drunk-drive accident no one knows or cares. It just skews people perceptions of where the danger really is.

_daisy_ wrote:

fractal.scatter wrote:

_daisy_ wrote:

Dr. Jackson wrote:
They can be, but would you want your daughter doing what your doing? Would you want that for her?

I wouldn’t want my daughter to do what I do.

Every parent wants a ‘better’ life for their children. I think the way to look at this would be if your daughter found herself in a situation like yours, would you be happy if she decided to do what you did. You yourself seem to have chosen this industry for yourself completely of your own free will; what if she had the same will?

Also, if you were to go back to that situation, would you again choose what you did, or would you choose to do something else?

I wouldn’t be happy if she decided to do what I do and I’d maybe not have quit university and rather have studied further and obtained a job that is respected and legal.

I think the bottom line here is this:
You wouldn’t necessarily have picked this specific field of work for yourself as a child being asked what you wanted to be when you grew up, HOWEVER, given the way things went in your life, you are happy with the fact that you found a way all by yourself to make a living.

To answer your question:
Prostitution is seen as “wrong” because of its connotation on society. When people think of prostitution, a couple different major things come into their mind: Las Vegas, the forced international sex trade, child molesters, strippers, and maybe some porn. These (probably with good exceptions being porn and Vegas) all have bad connotations, meaning we associated them with bad feelings when we think about them. There is also pressure from certain religious groups around the world that it is immoral….Not to mention the fact that in more than one nation it is illegal, which is probably an attempt to slow or stop the spread of Sexually Transmitted Diseases.

There are the answers I could come up with. It might not be what you think (it certainly isn’t what I think), but it probably includes at least a few things people would say if you asked them why they thought prostitution was wrong.

chev.jame wrote:
The words “high class” and “prostitute” are contradicitions in terms. If you are a prostitute, there is nothing high class about it. It means that you are providing intimacy for pay, which is probably the most mercenary act one can perform. It is sex without love.

Furthermore, prostitutes spread STDs . . . and they get beaten up, maimed and murdered . . . even by supposedly “high class” clients. And, by the way, there is nothing “high class” about somebody who goes to a prostitute.

You have seen that the world will use you, if you let it. It’s time to get some of your self-respect back and to stop allowing people to use your body as if it were a public toilet.

The Bible has spoken.

No clue why.

I’m all for it just get rid of the pimps.

they steal kids and prostitute them, that’s wrong.

I say legalize it and make it mandatory to wear condoms and have the government be the pimps.

chev.jame wrote:
No, it’s NOT that easy to just step out. It will take both determination and courage on your part.

But you must do it soon. You’re living on borrowed time in that “profession.” Sooner or later, you’re going to be raped or killed or both. Just because some guys have money is no guarantee that they’re not also psychotic killers.

A very pretty girl in Toronto ended up dead after working as an “escort” girl. She had a beautiful life ahead of her, but got addicted to the “easy” money and the glitz of going out with “high rollers.” One day, one of the “high rollers” did her in.

People in other professions that live “normal” lives also die. Normal people can be raped. People that go to a 9-5 office job working to make people happy around them and support local community activities and homeless shelters can also become victims of STDs, Murders, Serial Killings, Rape, and Taxes! (God forbid!)

Bad things happen to everyone, not just Prostitutes or, for that matter, “sinners”.

And as a turn around: Just because someone is raped or has an STD does NOT make them a bad person.

Please be careful with your comments. Even “normal” people that are just trying to help others have been victims to such terrible crimes as Rape or forced prostitution. They might even be on this post board.

Just wanted to disagree with this general idea of prostitutes being beaten and maimed which seems to be common here, while this does happen, it does not occur with EVERY prostitute. believe it or not there are women who go into the profession because they want to not because they are forced…personally while i am completely against the exploitation of women, prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and its always going to happen, which is why i personally think it should be legalised. then we can control it and ensure that the women doing it are safe.

i don’t think its wrong as long as the person is safe and not being forced, at the end of the day if you enjoy it, all you are doing is fulfilling a need and providing a service, we still act in modern society like sex is a taboo subject, we push it aside and expect it to go away but it doesn’t! by accepting it we can ensure the safety of those involved.

southern_comfort wrote:
And we are the only species on the planet to do it.

we are the only species on the planet to build skyscrapers and use currency, thats a ridiculous use of comparison.

as for the religious stuff…i’m not religious i’m not going to get into that argument but either way its incredibly outdated and it makes me laugh as to how people seem to pick and choose what they want from religion and then act as its the be all and end all.

daisy, if that is your name, i have no judgement on you at all, you’re doing what you have to and in comparison to soulless grey suits who work in our corporate system and take advantage of the poor, you are a bloody saint. do not ever let anyone judge you for what you do.

heysnowwhite wrote:
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daisy, if that is your name, i have no judgement on you at all, you’re doing what you have to and in comparison to soulless grey suits who work in our corporate system and take advantage of the poor, you are a bloody saint. do not ever let anyone judge you for what you do.

I completely agree with the above. As long as what you do sincerely makes you happy, keep strutting your stuff, even if you are a bus driver - whatever. Do what you feel is safe and happy. When/If the time come when you no longer feel safe or happy in your profession, however, come to that bridge with a helmet and some roller blades on (AKA A plan) so you already know how to cross that bridge.

iamsam wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
No clue why.

I’m all for it just get rid of the pimps.

I can pay 500£ for one night. ;-) hopes i wont be banned. :-P

sure, but I require you to put a paper bag over your head

Personally, I don’t see much wrong with it. People sell themselves in many other ways in society.. often with lower pay. An intelligent woman (please refrain from the obvious rejoinder), who keeps herself clean, doesn’t do drugs, and is thrifty can make a pile of cash. In Canada, being an escort is legal and taxes are paid. I knew one woman, in her 30’s who had a son and a HOUSE that was all legally paid for through her job as an escort. She was building up her savings to retire early. I’ve never paid for sex, but that’s because I’m not into meaningless physical encounters.. other men/women are and bully for them. There are plenty of people out there who ’sleep around’ (even swingers clubs) and these casual encounters can be even riskier than those between an escort and a client. There are also agencies/countries that require regular testing for STD’s.. how many people in the ‘regular’ population do so?

so she can’t see you

iamsam wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:

iamsam wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
No clue why.

I’m all for it just get rid of the pimps.

I can pay 500£ for one night. ;-) hopes i wont be banned. :-P

sure, but I require you to put a paper bag over your head

so that i can’t see you ?

yes and i can’t see you

It’s morally wrong for sure, and being a prostitute is not a respectable job at all.

Says you. And what do you know?

What do I know? This is what the society thinks! I don’t see it as a respectable job. Sleeping with people for money is not exactly a dignified act.

Prostitution has a more dangerous clientele and that’s a fact.

I’m all for it, but not for how it is now. Right now, at least in most places, it is highly unsafe for every party. Men get robbed, women get raped, ect. I say legallize it, get these girls off the streets and into legitamiit and protected brothels where there are set rules of conduct. Both the employees and the costumers ought to have to get tested for STDs before they use the facility. There should be set prices and taxes on such a place. And so on. They have a right to sell thier bodies for sex (I would never do such a thing) but there ought to be some safe way for it to be done so we have less girls showing up dead because they worked off the streets.

A couple of years ago I had to get a replacement social security card. The line was out the door; I was standing for hours next to little old black woman who was obviously having a hard day of it in the heat. We began to talk, and she began to cry.

She was 70 years old, becoming crippled with arthritis, had no health insurance, and was unable to get any kind of social security benefits.

She was a prostitute. She had never reported a nickel’s income, and had never held any other job. She never learned a skill, never had a family, never thought she would see the day she was no longer able to…work.

“I took care of my boys my whole lifetime, but now I can’t have any money or any help from anyone”.

The boys didn’t take care of her; and they didn’t really pay her for sex at all. They paid for her to leave after sex. That’s an important distinction, because most of us want to have sex with a man we are sure will be around to care for us -and any children we might make together- afterward.

Most of your clients can find sex for free anywhere they want. For the price of a few dates and a few hours of real attention spent, women will sleep with them.

They are paying you to leave afterward -hopefully, never to be seen again until they want your body.

Think about that: it makes you the equivalent of a disposable plastic toy! Now aren’t you better than that? Don’t you have a character and a personality and talents that make you someONE to love and not someTHING?

chev.jame wrote:
Prostitution has a more dangerous clientele and that’s a fact.

Hmmm.. might be safer joining the army and going to Afghanistan.

heysnowwhite wrote:
Just wanted to disagree with this general idea of prostitutes being beaten and maimed which seems to be common here, while this does happen, it does not occur with EVERY prostitute. believe it or not there are women who go into the profession because they want to not because they are forced…personally while i am completely against the exploitation of women, prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and its always going to happen, which is why i personally think it should be legalised. then we can control it and ensure that the women doing it are safe.

i don’t think its wrong as long as the person is safe and not being forced, at the end of the day if you enjoy it, all you are doing is fulfilling a need and providing a service, we still act in modern society like sex is a taboo subject, we push it aside and expect it to go away but it doesn’t! by accepting it we can ensure the safety of those involved.

southern_comfort wrote:
And we are the only species on the planet to do it.

we are the only species on the planet to build skyscrapers and use currency, thats a ridiculous use of comparison.

as for the religious stuff…i’m not religious i’m not going to get into that argument but either way its incredibly outdated and it makes me laugh as to how people seem to pick and choose what they want from religion and then act as its the be all and end all.

daisy, if that is your name, i have no judgement on you at all, you’re doing what you have to and in comparison to soulless grey suits who work in our corporate system and take advantage of the poor, you are a bloody saint. do not ever let anyone judge you for what you do.

perfect reply

lol

southern is right though…. do you see animals prostituting?

CodyCorona wrote:

heysnowwhite wrote:
Just wanted to disagree with this general idea of prostitutes being beaten and maimed which seems to be common here, while this does happen, it does not occur with EVERY prostitute. believe it or not there are women who go into the profession because they want to not because they are forced…personally while i am completely against the exploitation of women, prostitution is the oldest profession in the world and its always going to happen, which is why i personally think it should be legalised. then we can control it and ensure that the women doing it are safe.

i don’t think its wrong as long as the person is safe and not being forced, at the end of the day if you enjoy it, all you are doing is fulfilling a need and providing a service, we still act in modern society like sex is a taboo subject, we push it aside and expect it to go away but it doesn’t! by accepting it we can ensure the safety of those involved.

southern_comfort wrote:
And we are the only species on the planet to do it.

we are the only species on the planet to build skyscrapers and use currency, thats a ridiculous use of comparison.

as for the religious stuff…i’m not religious i’m not going to get into that argument but either way its incredibly outdated and it makes me laugh as to how people seem to pick and choose what they want from religion and then act as its the be all and end all.

daisy, if that is your name, i have no judgement on you at all, you’re doing what you have to and in comparison to soulless grey suits who work in our corporate system and take advantage of the poor, you are a bloody saint. do not ever let anyone judge you for what you do.

perfect reply

thanks!:)

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
lol

southern is right though…. do you see animals prostituting?

how would they? they have no form of currency! and sex is not taboo in the animal kingdom, very rarely are relationships formed, you can’t compare them!

gorillas and apes are more scandalous than anything on the planet. they are smart animals, they could prostitute. its not like we are able to sit and view every animal on this planet to know if they do or dont. all i know is that gorillas/monkeys, have more sex than humans do. enough said.

heysnowwhite wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
lol

southern is right though…. do you see animals prostituting?

how would they? they have no form of currency! and sex is not taboo in the animal kingdom, very rarely are relationships formed, you can’t compare them!

so we ARE the only species on the planet.

we come from that specie… allegedly, I believe it

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:

heysnowwhite wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
lol

southern is right though…. do you see animals prostituting?

how would they? they have no form of currency! and sex is not taboo in the animal kingdom, very rarely are relationships formed, you can’t compare them!

so we ARE the only species on the planet.

i’m really confused, not quite sure what point you’re trying to make?

yea, i agree. evolution tells a tall tale!

but, im farely sure we are one of two species on this planet that commit sexual endeavors for benefits. the only reason i brought up the gorillas, is cause i saw a documentary on nat geo about it.

heysnowwhite wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:

heysnowwhite wrote:

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
lol

southern is right though…. do you see animals prostituting?

how would they? they have no form of currency! and sex is not taboo in the animal kingdom, very rarely are relationships formed, you can’t compare them!

so we ARE the only species on the planet.

i’m really confused, not quite sure what point you’re trying to make?

I’m being technical.

tisk tisk tisk

Forms of sexual trading occur in the animal kingdom though. This is rife in primates; macaques partake in grooming for example.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/…

Male penguins offer females a rock or pebble before sex. Does that count? Or is that more akin to me giving my girlfriend flowers on valentines day?

I don’t think I could have sex with just anyone. I know I couldn’t. I mean doesn’t being a prostitute mean you have to have sex with mainly ugly boring old fat people who can’t get laid for free? That’s reason enough for me to think it is wrong. Plus the legal implications and the tax issue. Of course I have never paid for sex so really I do not know a lot about it. It just seems like it would be degrading to a woman for a stranger whom you are not attracted to to have his way with you and then walk out the door for a few bucks. And what if he refuses to pay? You can’t call the cops, it just sounds like a very dangerous way to make a living.

okay well, firstly you are putting yourself at very high risks of getting stds .

second, it shows how much disrespect u have for urself and ur body… by just letting anyone get it.

third… how can sex be enjoyable where there arent any feelings there?

no ones going to want to settle down or marry a woman who does that sort of thing….

mysteriousmystery wrote:
okay well, firstly you are putting yourself at very high risks of getting stds .

At a higher risk than the average. At what point does this become a ‘very high’ risk though?

mysteriousmystery wrote:
second, it shows how much disrespect u have for urself and ur body… by just letting anyone get it.

You find it disrespectful.

mysteriousmystery wrote:
third… how can sex be enjoyable where there arent any feelings there?

Are you wanting an answer to this question because you cannot comprehend or this a rhetorical question?

mysteriousmystery wrote:
no ones going to want to settle down or marry a woman who does that sort of thing….

Says you. It’s commonly said that one cannot help who one falls in love with. How many women in the sex industry have gone on to marry and have children? Rather a significant number I’m sure. Why should OP be any different?

@fractal.scatter, okay well im guessing your for prostitution..

i guess sex is sex… if ur turned on u’ll enjoy it… however my biggest problem with prostitution is probably that, i think a womans body is special, a gift i dont think just anyone should be able to get to it for a price money can buy.

mysteriousmystery wrote:
@fractal.scatter, okay well im guessing your for prostitution..

i guess sex is sex… if ur turned on u’ll enjoy it… however my biggest problem with prostitution is probably that, i think a womans body is special, a gift i dont think just anyone should be able to get to it for a price money can buy.

Whether I’m ‘for’ prostitution or not hasn’t anything to do with the statements you made not being completely true. I’m not getting at you by the way, so hopefully it won’t come across as that. Lot’s of people have misconceptions and opinions based on incorrect information. You’ve exhibited a few there which I was pointing out, that is all.

So many people just expect OP to be in a position whereby they have some guy turn up, give them some money, have their way with her and then leave. I’m sure that happens. But what about the regular guys who come back time and again? Surely over time you’d build relationships with them as acquaintances? And what of those guys who bring gifts or take her out for dinner without without a hint of sex; paying for her time? That is what I am familiar with when I think of ‘high-class escort’. And why is that a bad thing? Does that balance out with the guy who turns up and leaves never to be seen again to actually make the whole experience not bad at all?

Personally, I can see no problem with prostitution, as long as it means somebody has a house, food, and warmth.

Morally, as long as you can still look at yourself in the mirror, you are doing fine. You are safe(ish), happy, and do not need other people’s opinions on the subject, just your own.

I do not know what all the fuss is about; some of the nicest people I have met are prostitutes.
And throws who say there is no love involved, well there is not supposed to be….
If you want love, get a dog.
And for the bible bashers out there, do not judge for you will be judge to.

If you want love get a dog. Words of true wisdom.

LOOL ‘biblebashers’ ?

okay, fyi i am not a ‘bible basher’ …i just have my own set of morals which i believe women should live by…. i am not a complete feminist but i just think a woman is special and deserves to be treated like it, and with respect. Prostitutes often come across as having no respect for themselves… and if u have no respect for yourself how can u expect anyone to respect you?

We have a guy in Canada who is believed to have tortured and killed 50 or more women. His victims? Prostitutes–people on the margins of society that the police didn’t care about. Time and again clues were laid on the police department’s doorstep, but just like the Victorian cops who couldn’t catch Jack the Ripper, the Vancouver cops couldn’t catch this guy for the longest–because they simply weren’t looking.

Daisy–I make no moral judgments about you. I just want you out of that “business” and off the street so that no harm comes to you. It’s a dirty shame that there are men out there who would use you just like a Kleenex–who consider you completely disposable.

And you might have some “regular” customers who might keep you in “regular business” for a while. But sooner or later you will encounter a Ted Bundy or a Jack the Ripper–it’s just a matter of time.

In the USA, 50,000 people disappear every year, and 3,000 sets of human remains are found in the woods, in garbage dumps, in fields, etc. Criminal profilers believe that there are a LOT of serial killers out there that aren’t on anyone’s radar.

Maybe you’ve got a pimp who threatens to beat you if you quit. But you can still get away. You could walk down to the military recruiter’s office and sign up with the Air Force or Navy or Coast Guard and make an honorable living with good pay. You could join the Peace Corps. You have many options. Don’t wait until you are all used up–make a plan and put it into action!

While I am not religious in any conventional sense, I do admire the Christian tenet which tells us not to judge others too harshly, lest we be judged as well. Hating Taliban commanders who kill and maim people is one thing. Humiliating someone and calling them names on the basis of their chosen profession is completely another.

Gandhi himself repeatedly stressed that there are no respectable professions in the world, just respectable people, whatever be their line of work.
In a lot of ways, I find this woman a lot more respectable than many amongst the top brass in the government hierarchy.

As it is, I see nothing wrong with voluntary prostitution. But even if I did, I would surely hesitate to impose my own sense of morals on someone who is not hurting anyone else at all!

I’m sure she’s well aware of the risks and pitfalls, much more aware than most of us can ever be as outside observers to the industry. There are all sorts of people with dangerous careers out there. There are military people deployed in forward posts right now who are far more at risk of sudden violent death than this woman would ever be. There are firefighters who accept grievous risks as a part of their job profiles. There are adventure sport enthusiasts who are well aware that one mistake could cost them life and limb. There are journalists who brave floods, riots and war for the sake of their careers. There are pro-democracy activists who risk being detained, tortured and killed by their own repressive governmments every single day. If an adult is willing to take those risks with a smile, who are we to berate them for their choice?

As fractal has said, it wouldn’t hurt to have a backup career as age catches up. That’s about all the advice I feel qualified to give.

mysteriousmystery wrote:
i think a womans body is special, a gift i dont think just anyone should be able to get to it for a price money can buy.

Really, is that right?

As a woman, I most certainly don’t consider myself (or my body) a “gift”, thank you very much!

A gift is something you give to another person as a gesture of your love for them.

I love my husband dearly. I make sure he is well cared for. I happily choose to fit in with gender roles that many people in the West would consider quite inequitable, because I feel comfortable that way, because that is how I have been brought up. I have nothing against feminism, but it is not an ethical system that I really subscribe to.

BUT, I have not gifted my body to anyone either. I agree with the feminists when they stress that a woman’s body is her own. I retain full ownership of my body, and always will, just like my husband. It is not for you or me or for anyone else to judge what a woman should or should not with her own body. It is her body, her choice.

I don’t understand why people think it is okay to not respect someone just because you’ve decided they don’t respect themselves.

I think in the End we are all some sorts of Prostitute’s. Look at a Plumber. Emergency Call, Toilet is blocked. He has to put physically his Hand down the Toilet and remove whatever..A Nurse on Night Shift.Some sick Person just vomit all over the Bed.. Or pooed in his Bed .. More bluntly,but to the Point. Absolutely nothing wrong with being a Prostitute.. Go for it. Look after your Clients be clean and enjoy what you’re doing….

Actually your body isn’t yours to do with as you please. If it was drugs and prostitution would both be legal.

Dr. Ralph wrote:
Actually your body isn’t yours to do with as you please. If it was drugs and prostitution would both be legal.

They both are in many countries and (in my humble opinion, of course) ought to be in others.

Laws aren’t any sort of rigid guide to personal ethics. Afghan law says that it’s not okay for women to EVER deny sex to their husbands. Do you agree with that as well? North Korean laws says it’s not legal to run your own independent business. I guess it must be a bad thing to be an entrepreneur, or it would have been legal. In Pakistan, it’s illegal to criticize religion. Is criticizing religion wrong in and of itself?

Laws are formed as a result of political expediencies and public pressures. One does not have to necessarily agree with each and every law in a country. We may be forced to abide by them as part of our social contract with the government, but that does not mean legalistic decrees are the be all and end all to all ethical questions on a subject, nor does it bar us from holding divergent views.

☠DaNi**YoU☠ wrote:
No clue why.

I’m all for it just get rid of the pimps.

they steal kids and prostitute them, that’s wrong.

I say legalize it and make it mandatory to wear condoms and have the government be the pimps.

You’re so tough.

chev.jame wrote:
Maybe you’ve got a pimp who threatens to beat you if you quit. But you can still get away. You could walk down to the military recruiter’s office and sign up with the Air Force or Navy or Coast Guard and make an honorable living with good pay. You could join the Peace Corps. You have many options. Don’t wait until you are all used up–make a plan and put it into action!

Chev.Jame I REALLY wish you wouldn’t advise people to join the military. What is the military’s business: The use of force to achieve its goals. Mainly in the form of war and various coups. Enough with WAR. Please stop promoting the military. It is not so “heroic” and admirable after all. I almost barfed during Obama’s State of the Union Address when he fawned on the military and everyone behaved as if they were all SAINTS. I do not idolize soldiers. And the military should not be viewed as a “good employment option.” Think if over!!!

I didn’t say I agreed with the body not being yours to do with as you please, just that it was so. And Daisy has said prostitution is illegal wherever she lives. I think it is a travesty and really have no problem with victimless crimes which I feel prostitution and drugs are. If she wants to do this I have no problem with it. She asked us to tell her what was wrong with it and a lot of people have given her their opinions.

And actually if you want to stay out of jail laws are a rigid guide to personal ethics.

Sara K wrote:
While I am not religious in any conventional sense, I do admire the Christian tenet which tells us not to judge others too harshly, lest we be judged as well. Hating Taliban commanders who kill and maim people is one thing. Humiliating someone and calling them names on the basis of their chosen profession is completely another.

It is not only the Taliban who kill and maim. The United States government also kills and maims, let’s just remember that.

All governments kill and maim Muffsy. Most of them do it to protect their own citizens. I am proud of our soldiers and am glad they are well armed so I can sit my lazy butt in a chair and be safe and warm.

No comment.

If prostitution was legal it would be regulated and be safe for everyone. The fact is there are alot of ugly men and some are insecure around women. These men get rejected all the time which slowly turns into hatred toward women. Ugly guys have to try harder to some how get a females attention. All they need a women to satisfy their physical needs. They are doing a service for the community. High class prostitutes are pretty girls. A very attractive woman that an ugly guy, in most normal circumstances, would never get a chance to time with.

*spend

Long term most people would consider it unhealthy.

Sex bonds people. Just a fact of Neuro chemistry. When you orgasm, you produce a chemical that causes you to build an attachment to that person. This degrades the attachment to a partner who you could raise kids with, reducing one of the great satisfactions in life.

If you have to pay for it, it deep down degrades your sense of self worth. Like if you had to pay for someone to talk to or play tennis with.

But… Shrinks and tennis coaches are good at what they do.

But people want more from sex than the pleasures, and faking that extra stuff is what makes a high class escort.

@op
You replied “not that simple to just step out”. You for some reason want out yeah?

@whoever’s
We are not the only species to do it. Chimps have been observed exchanging currency for sex

You have many skills from it, so could move into another profession.

Sales, temp agency management, customer service?

Or move to a place where its legal?

You know, I think I’ve been an unpaid escort to many women. Hmm

chev.jame wrote:
We have a guy in Canada who is believed to have tortured and killed 50 or more women. His victims? Prostitutes–people on the margins of society that the police didn’t care about. Time and again clues were laid on the police department’s doorstep, but just like the Victorian cops who couldn’t catch Jack the Ripper, the Vancouver cops couldn’t catch this guy for the longest–because they simply weren’t looking.

Daisy–I make no moral judgments about you. I just want you out of that “business” and off the street so that no harm comes to you. It’s a dirty shame that there are men out there who would use you just like a Kleenex–who consider you completely disposable.

And you might have some “regular” customers who might keep you in “regular business” for a while. But sooner or later you will encounter a Ted Bundy or a Jack the Ripper–it’s just a matter of time.

In the USA, 50,000 people disappear every year, and 3,000 sets of human remains are found in the woods, in garbage dumps, in fields, etc. Criminal profilers believe that there are a LOT of serial killers out there that aren’t on anyone’s radar.

Maybe you’ve got a pimp who threatens to beat you if you quit. But you can still get away. You could walk down to the military recruiter’s office and sign up with the Air Force or Navy or Coast Guard and make an honorable living with good pay. You could join the Peace Corps. You have many options. Don’t wait until you are all used up–make a plan and put it into action!

Remind me never to visit Vancouver Canada, it sounds a sh1t place.

Just think what would the world be like without prostitutes?
There would be far more rapes and violence on our streets, men and some woman need sex. Just sex with no hang-ups. As mentioned in an earlier reply what would ugly men, deformed men, the Friday night drunk do without prostitutes?
Prostitutes are a very important and necessary part of our society, and should be looked after not shunned and made to feel dirty. Yes in my time I have used the services of a prostitute and she was dam good at her job. I for one would like to see prostitutes given protection like all other professions, if medical inspections were given, STD and other conditions would not be an issue, and if police protection like the rest of us have was available as is there right, violence would not be an issue either.

To any and all prostitutes out there, ‘Good for you and keep up the good work,’ one day I am sure society will see the truth.

mysteriousmystery wrote:
LOOL ‘biblebashers’ ?

okay, fyi i am not a ‘bible basher’ …i just have my own set of morals which i believe women should live by…. i am not a complete feminist but i just think a woman is special and deserves to be treated like it, and with respect. Prostitutes often come across as having no respect for themselves… and if u have no respect for yourself how can u expect anyone to respect you?

you believe that they should live a certain way? live YOUR life to your own standards, dont place those standards onto others.

wondershield wrote:
You don’t have to be a prostitute!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3omQik…

Give sex away for free and go hungry.

Sara K wrote:
As it is, I see nothing wrong with voluntary prostitution. But even if I did, I would surely hesitate to impose my own sense of morals on someone who is not hurting anyone else at all!

I’m sure she’s well aware of the risks and pitfalls, much more aware than most of us can ever be as outside observers to the industry. There are all sorts of people with dangerous careers out there. There are military people deployed in forward posts right now who are far more at risk of sudden violent death than this woman would ever be. There are firefighters who accept grievous risks as a part of their job profiles. There are adventure sport enthusiasts who are well aware that one mistake could cost them life and limb. There are journalists who brave floods, riots and war for the sake of their careers. There are pro-democracy activists who risk being detained, tortured and killed by their own repressive governmments every single day. If an adult is willing to take those risks with a smile, who are we to berate them for their choice?

As fractal has said, it wouldn’t hurt to have a backup career as age catches up. That’s about all the advice I feel qualified to give.

Sara, I agree with you about not judging, but I disagree with you about the element of danger. I’ve been in the military, and when you’re in the military, or in the police or fire departments, you’re not alone. You’ve got a buddy watching your back. You have the means to call for help. When a prostitute is alone with some creep, she probably won’t be able to call for help, especially if he has taken her to some remote location. There’s nobody watching out for her, no cavalry poised to come riding over the hill.

As for hurting others, it’s most likely that a large number of her customers would be married, so she’d be part and parcel of an adulterous liaison. And she’d also be doing both psychological and spiritual damage to herself. You can’t say that having sex with any number of fat, ugly, smelly and nasty men wouldn’t have an effect on a person. Her clients are much less likely to be Adonises than to be just the opposite: guys that would make a normal woman want to throw up.

When I watched the movie, “Inside Job,” about the financial meltdown, one fact was brought up: the Wall Street power brokers spent tons of money on prostitutes. The three-martini lunch had given way to the “prostitute lunch.” It was just another example of the top 1 percent screwing over–literally–people in the bottom 99 percent.

Sara, I’m sure you wouldn’t want to trade places with Daisy right now. Would you want your security to depend wholly upon the mercy of your clients? I think not. No, prostitution is a dirty, dangerous business. And when people have their dignity taken away through being used, psychological and spiritual scarring can result.

Let’s see the hands of those who wouldn’t mind if their daughters became prostitutes.

That’s what I thought!

for some reason, i dont think the original poster is even listening to all of any more haha…

CodyCorona wrote:
for some reason, i dont think the original poster is even listening to all of any more haha…

No but this post sure has gotten popular, she should be proud!

i dont know about proud, but im glad to see that a lot of people arent bashing her for HER choice of lifestyle.

Why not proud? She not only got her question answered but brought awareness to it. I’d be proud if I was her.

proud in my opinion doesnt seem to suit it.. more like thankful

I don’t think it’s so much wrong as it is dangerous. I didn’t read all of the responses, since there are a lot, so sorry if I repeat what has already been stated. You’re constantly risking your well being when these men purchase your services. You risk being harmed not only by STDs but physically, too. Which I’m sure you already know. Also, it’s considered a degrading line of work because people tend to think that prostitutes have no self value and are nothing more than drug addicted whores. For a more “professional” term, you should use the title escort. I know it’s only a title, but prostitute just doesn’t sound as…nice.

CodyCorona wrote:
proud in my opinion doesnt seem to suit it.. more like thankful

Sure, I’d be thankful if this were my post, that my voice was heard, but no one answered the question without putting their own two cents in - myself included. That, I think and especially if you have read the entire page, is a bit disappointing.

PromisingMoon wrote:

CodyCorona wrote:
proud in my opinion doesnt seem to suit it.. more like thankful

Sure, I’d be thankful if this were my post, that my voice was heard, but no one answered the question without putting their own two cents in - myself included. That, I think and especially if you have read the entire page, is a bit disappointing.

It is expected for people to be opinionated, even the point of this website is that, but I think this was one question where it just wasn’t wanted.

it’s forbideen

it causes diseases; and would be a bad exemple to girls who are younger !!!!

One thing I’d like to mention is that, at least in Canada (It might have changed since), the escort agency would run the client’s name/phone #/address and there where code phrases that indicated well being with the initial (mandatory) call-in when the escort first saw the client and did the payment thing. If there was a problem, the cops WERE called and there also was a call out after the time was up. I’d hazard a guess that most of the prostitutes killed were just that.. prostitutes. By this I mean that there was little or no oversight/security involved. Legalizing changes things somewhat, though there will probably always be those that exist on the underbelly of society, with the attendant risks.

You don’t have to know WHY something is wrong for it to be wrong.
There is an emptiness inside you, and you know it’s wrong.
You know that underneath that “feeling” of being appreciated by men…
There’s a nothingness you cannot explain or escape.

That is why it is wrong.
Because deep down, you know it is.
That is what you call a Self-Evident Truth.

No little girl says, “When I grow up, I want to be somebody who lets men use me for empty, meaningless sex.”

There are many high risk jobs.
The people at Fukashima are doing a very important job
and if they didn’t the world would be very much sicker.
So your job helps people who need sexual love.
Its important.

Muffsy wrote:

chev.jame wrote:
Maybe you’ve got a pimp who threatens to beat you if you quit. But you can still get away. You could walk down to the military recruiter’s office and sign up with the Air Force or Navy or Coast Guard and make an honorable living with good pay. You could join the Peace Corps. You have many options. Don’t wait until you are all used up–make a plan and put it into action!

Chev.Jame I REALLY wish you wouldn’t advise people to join the military. What is the military’s business: The use of force to achieve its goals. Mainly in the form of war and various coups. Enough with WAR. Please stop promoting the military. It is not so “heroic” and admirable after all. I almost barfed during Obama’s State of the Union Address when he fawned on the military and everyone behaved as if they were all SAINTS. I do not idolize soldiers. And the military should not be viewed as a “good employment option.” Think if over!!!

Think this over, and think it over real good alright? Where exactly would you be without the military? Where would we all be, exactly? The military doesn’t achieve its own goals, it achieves our goals, America’s goals: to keep our freedom. War is necissary. I wish it wasn’t, we all wish it wasn’t. But it is. There are people who cannot be reasoned with. It is pure ignorance to believe that we can all just sit down and talk about our problems and solve it that way. I will always expect the United States to go to war to any agressor of our freedoms, and I expect them to go to war to win every time. I will always respect the military and our troops will always be heros to me.

I know that was off topic of me, but I needed to make comment about that.

It is not.

Anonymous wrote:
What do I know? This is what the society thinks! I don’t see it as a respectable job. Sleeping with people for money is not exactly a dignified act.

Society in the past has accepted many things. Slavery for example. What society accepts is not an accurate judge of how the world should be, only of how it is.

Blest wrote:
You don’t have to know WHY something is wrong for it to be wrong.
There is an emptiness inside you, and you know it’s wrong.
You know that underneath that “feeling” of being appreciated by men…
There’s a nothingness you cannot explain or escape.

That is why it is wrong.
Because deep down, you know it is.
That is what you call a Self-Evident Truth.

No little girl says, “When I grow up, I want to be somebody who lets men use me for empty, meaningless sex.”

First of all. You may not need to know why something is wrong for it to BE wrong but you need to know why it is wrong to CLAIM it is wrong.

Second, all that fancy rhetoric was just a way of stating that you think the OP has an INTUITION that prostitution is wrong. But thank god we also have a faculty of reason we can use to temper and decipher that intuition. Intuition only tells us our immediate emotional response to a situation. We must then use our reason to figure it why we had that response.

If the reason why one has this supposed negative vortex (or perhaps stomach pains from last night’s burrito-binge) inside of them called a “self-evident truth” is because there is some objective set of facts that show prostitution to be harmfull…then sure, it might be harmful or “Wrong”.

If your negative intuition is based solely on the rhetoric of bible-thumpers who love a good piece of fiction…your reason might show this to be less compelling evidence.

fractal.scatter wrote:
Forms of sexual trading occur in the animal kingdom though. This is rife in primates; macaques partake in grooming for example.
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/…

Male penguins offer females a rock or pebble before sex. Does that count? Or is that more akin to me giving my girlfriend flowers on valentines day?

That wouldn’t count I don’t think. Money and rocks are different things. The rock giving is probably a mating ritual. There is no equivalent to money in the animal kingdom.

Blest wrote:
You don’t have to know WHY something is wrong for it to be wrong.
There is an emptiness inside you, and you know it’s wrong.
You know that underneath that “feeling” of being appreciated by men…
There’s a nothingness you cannot explain or escape.

That is why it is wrong.
Because deep down, you know it is.
That is what you call a Self-Evident Truth.

No little girl says, “When I grow up, I want to be somebody who lets men use me for empty, meaningless sex.”

I beg to differ. It is because people know the wrongness of something that they feel the empty feeling of guilt or remorse. Not knowing why a wrong is wrong doesn’t lead to any such feeling.
Maybe you are trying to say, instinctively wrong but then I think people subconsciously know what their instinct is trying to tell them.

Lady Logical wrote:

Muffsy wrote:

chev.jame wrote:
Maybe you’ve got a pimp who threatens to beat you if you quit. But you can still get away. You could walk down to the military recruiter’s office and sign up with the Air Force or Navy or Coast Guard and make an honorable living with good pay. You could join the Peace Corps. You have many options. Don’t wait until you are all used up–make a plan and put it into action!

Chev.Jame I REALLY wish you wouldn’t advise people to join the military. What is the military’s business: The use of force to achieve its goals. Mainly in the form of war and various coups. Enough with WAR. Please stop promoting the military. It is not so “heroic” and admirable after all. I almost barfed during Obama’s State of the Union Address when he fawned on the military and everyone behaved as if they were all SAINTS. I do not idolize soldiers. And the military should not be viewed as a “good employment option.” Think if over!!!

Think this over, and think it over real good alright? Where exactly would you be without the military? Where would we all be, exactly? The military doesn’t achieve its own goals, it achieves our goals, America’s goals: to keep our freedom. War is necissary. I wish it wasn’t, we all wish it wasn’t. But it is. There are people who cannot be reasoned with. It is pure ignorance to believe that we can all just sit down and talk about our problems and solve it that way. I will always expect the United States to go to war to any agressor of our freedoms, and I expect them to go to war to win every time. I will always respect the military and our troops will always be heros to me.

I really & truly don’t want to start a fight here, but exactly WHICH freedoms have we been in Iraq for the last decade defending? And why was it again that we went in the first place? Remember? The US will now strike at anybody who might SOMEDAY attack us? What has happened to the United States of America? WHAT shining city on a hill?!

The End

I am pretty sure Saddam Hussein was torturing and killing his own people by the hundreds of thousands. Wiki says so and that is why we went… we are the police of the world Mufflewump.

According to The New York Times, “he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule”.[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam’s regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

I’d like to remind you that this is in no way remotely connected to the war in Iraq, so no more posts on that.

blackbook668 wrote:
I’d like to remind you that this is in no way remotely connected to the war in Iraq, so no more posts on that.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some prostitutes were also killed.. so there! Nya Nyaaa!

Dr. Ralph wrote:
I am pretty sure Saddam Hussein was torturing and killing his own people by the hundreds of thousands. Wiki says so and that is why we went… we are the police of the world Mufflewump.

According to The New York Times, “he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule”.[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam’s regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

That’s one of the many things I love about the United States: we don’t just sit on our *** while other people suffer. We go in, we crush the enemy, and we help the people there help themselves.

blackbook668 wrote:
I’d like to remind you that this is in no way remotely connected to the war in Iraq, so no more posts on that.

And what of it? I feel like if another productive and interesting conversation comes out of it, then it makes this post even better.

Dr. Ralph wrote:
I am pretty sure Saddam Hussein was torturing and killing his own people by the hundreds of thousands. Wiki says so and that is why we went… we are the police of the world Mufflewump.

According to The New York Times, “he [Saddam] murdered as many as a million of his people, many with poison gas. He tortured, maimed and imprisoned countless more. His unprovoked invasion of Iran is estimated to have left another million people dead. His seizure of Kuwait threw the Middle East into crisis. More insidious, arguably, was the psychological damage he inflicted on his own land. Hussein created a nation of informants — friends on friends, circles within circles — making an entire population complicit in his rule”.[9] Others have estimated 800,000 deaths caused by Saddam not counting the Iran-Iraq war.[10] Estimates as to the number of Iraqis executed by Saddam’s regime vary from 300-500,000[11] to over 600,000,[12] estimates as to the number of Kurds he massacred vary from 70,000 to 300,000,[13] and estimates as to the number killed in the put-down of the 1991 rebellion vary from 60,000[14] to 200,000.[12] Estimates for the number of dead in the Iran-Iraq war range upwards from 300,000.[15]

Ralphie, I’ve never read such incredible estimates as you cite. Would you mind sending the link? This all adds up to about 3,200,000 people over a period of how long? And what we were doing all that time if we are the saviors of the world? And is our glory diminished at all if it’s true as estimated that we directly killed over one million Iraqis while saving them, not to mention the other Iraqis who were maimed and otherwise traumatized and/or lost close family members or dear friends (or dogs, or cats, or frogs) in the process, the whole thing probably adding up to 5 or 6 MILLION? And then there are the ongoing effects of covering their land with OUR depleted URANIUM dust … That does not sound glorious or noble to me.

Thank Gawd we KNOW it had absolutely nothing to do with OIL.

Here’s the kind of thinking I MEANT to convey …

“Laura Pérez, UC Berkeley Professor of Ethnic Studies, connects “decolonial love” to the Mayan principle of In’Laketch: tu eres mi otro yo (you are my other me). Pérez explains that “not only are we interwoven, we are one. I am you and you are me. To harm another is thus to literally harm one’s own being. This is a basic spiritual law in numerous traditions.”

from Breaking the Chains of Modernity:
http://www.adbusters.org/magazine/100…

If we can see this, how can we go to war except in true self-defense?

Don’t believe the Mayans.. They used to sacrifice Virgins to There Sun God ,cut out there Hearts while still alive and kicking.. No, forget the Mayans…

Virgins, Sun God, prostitutes, and religious, what a wonderful world.

Why is it wrong to be a prostitute?

Because the religious leaders tell us so, no other reason.
This is a free world so you can do almost anything you want. I say almost why?
You cannot harm or kill or steal, but you can sell or rent out something that dose belong to you, and if I am right ones body belongs to yourself.

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as B said^

religion has been placing standards on life for ages… religion has placed standards on society in general. not to dig to deep into religion, but religion in my opinion was created to control the masses, and give people hope for whats to come after death…seeing as the life expectency was a lot shorter back then. with that being said.. over time, after generations upon generations, its been forced into people brains that prostition is wrong, and it will send you to hell… thats bull**** in my mind. i feel that what you firmly* believe in when you die..whether it be going to some sort of heavenly place..walking the earth as a ghost, or youre taking a dirt nap…then thats where you go.

there should be no judging someone because they chose a lifestyle much different than yours, learn to agree to disagree about it, and let them live THEIR life, and you live yours.

p.s. this was not directed towards any one on here specifically.

Snar wrote:
If your negative intuition is based solely on the rhetoric of bible-thumpers who love a good piece of fiction…your reason might show this to be less compelling evidence.

Actually, it’s exactly why it’s compelling evidence. Because in the world of prostitution, the “bible-thumpers” very well could be the only people who actually LOVE the prostitute, and care about her enough to care what happens to her. Which, if “appreciation” and “respect” and “love” are the things a person wants in life, and they’re trying to get it through prostitution, then a good Bible Thumper is exactly what that person needs to pull them out of their delusions, denial, and self-deprecating lifestyle.

☮Fat B wrote:
Virgins, Sun God, prostitutes, and religious, what a wonderful world.

Why is it wrong to be a prostitute?

Because the religious leaders tell us so, no other reason.
This is a free world so you can do almost anything you want. I say almost why?
You cannot harm or kill or steal, but you can sell or rent out something that dose belong to you, and if I am right ones body belongs to yourself.

Thus spake the one who has no self-worth or value.

The reason it’s wrong to rent your body out to other people for money is because you’re basically saying “Hey, my self-respect is worth $50 an hour and an STD.” Religious leaders say so for the same reason that psychologists say so, and parents say so, and family members say so, and children say so. When you sell yourself to somebody, you are showing how much you hate yourself.

If you don’t want to listen to religious people, then listen to your own family that loves you. Listen to psychologists who can tell you why prostitution DESTROYS people, families, and societies as a whole. Listen to Historians who explain how prostitution has brought down everybody from peasants to kings.

Being against religion is fine if that’s what you believe. Being ignorant is not.

Some people value their ’self-respect’ for even less.. how many people out there slaving away at minimum wage (or less) jobs that they hate? Also, try $300 an hour (for an escort in Canada), which is a far cry from $50.

Big Willy! wrote:
Some people value their ’self-respect’ for even less.. how many people out there slaving away at minimum wage (or less) jobs that they hate? Also, try $300 an hour (for an escort in Canada), which is a far cry from $50.

true that

I could argue there are arguments against prostitution that are very much non-religious. The likelihood of STD’s, the risk with intimate relationships with strangers, the wack pimps, these reasons have nothing to do with the Bible. And a lot of the value issues also don’t necessarily have a religious edge to them. The idea that a woman allowing you access to her for £50 (or whatever it costs) being cheap and tacky is not an exclusively God-believing one. So you’ll have to do better than dismiss this as Bible ranting, CodyCorona and Fat B.

£50 sounds right. Generally most sex working (certainly in this country) are rather aware of STD’s and so protect themselves as much as possible. Obviously there is an increased risk due to the increased number of sexual partners compared to the normal. I would also say that a good deal of sex workers are not controlled by pimps (although of course some still are) and that a great deal do it for themselves (for whatever their reason).

Also, who is using who? I understand the point of view of someone saying that a man may be using a female sex worker for their own reason, but is the sex worker also not using them for their cash?

And what about male sex workers. Nobody has given them a mention.

Blest wrote:

Snar wrote:
If your negative intuition is based solely on the rhetoric of bible-thumpers who love a good piece of fiction…your reason might show this to be less compelling evidence.

Actually, it’s exactly why it’s compelling evidence. Because in the world of prostitution, the “bible-thumpers” very well could be the only people who actually LOVE the prostitute, and care about her enough to care what happens to her. Which, if “appreciation” and “respect” and “love” are the things a person wants in life, and they’re trying to get it through prostitution, then a good Bible Thumper is exactly what that person needs to pull them out of their delusions, denial, and self-deprecating lifestyle.

Just because Christians care about the welfare of the prostitute does not mean that it there is some objective truth out there that prostitution is wrong. You are confusing your empathy for some kind of proof or critical examination.

I will admit that empathy is a great quality, but I must point out that it is no argument.

fractal.scatter wrote:
And what about male sex workers. Nobody has given them a mention.

Male prostitutes are generally employed by gay males and make about the same as females. Male escorts, in Canada, make the same cash as females and, still, are generally limited to gay sex. All the caveats, physical and psychological, still apply. Actually, there may be more of a social stigma attached to males and, possibly, a greater chance of physical harm due to ‘gay bashers’.

Just tagging so don’t have to scroll down.

Interesting discussion Blest and Snar

There is more stigma due the false or real implication that a lot of gay prostitutes are forced into that line of work. I’m not entirely believing because it sounds like the sort of sexist attitude that thinks only a woman would be stupid enough to take that line of work but the unattractiveness of guys having to sell their bodies (for me) shows up, I think, a tendency to glamorise prostitutes (see comments referring to Vegas above) while male prostitution, the only attitudes I’ve seen of it is being rather creepy.

Blest wrote:
Thus spoke the one who has no self-worth or value.

Being against religion is fine if that’s what you believe. Being ignorant is not.

No self-worth or value? Typical religious view of one who has a different view on life.
Ignorant? I am not the one who believes in smoke and mirrors.

Also please do not condemn prostitutes, many of them have no other way to live, be the Christian that you say you are and have sympathy for them.

As long as ABSOLOUTLY NO ONE is forced into the intrustry that doesn’t want to be, then people can do what they want, however i am not saying that people should, i am against acts of un loving sex and having dominance over someone else

I for one know that people can be forced into the industry. I have read many things about it. You want an interesting way of viewing this point, then read Cherub :the fall by Robert muchamore. It will change your life