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All the people that advertise on tv and radio think so….

Neuro-marketing, I believe it’s called :)

Others can only try to INFLUENCE it.

But nobody else but YOU can CONTROL it!
See: “How to Control Your Subconscious Mind”: http://www.wikihow.com/Control-Your-S…

Hypnotise.

Doubletime wrote:
Hypnotise.

No.
If you’re not agree with hypnotism it cannot work!

hahaha! is this a joke?

Neuro-linguistic programming.

No. I mean for communication to work both parties must understan each other. So of course non verbal communication, smiling, flirting etc can communicate feelings but although the other person may not verbalize this they are reading and however quickly understanding the meaning of such gestures. Its just that, due as much to custom as anything else, no one spells out what is understood verbally or in any detail.

Neuro linguistic programming, life coaching are very effective in exactly the way voodoo is. That is, not at all.

by my decree you cannot know your subconscious. that is how I control you. if you knew your unconscious, then you’d know I was controlling you. but I do not want you to know. what fun would that be? and even if I tell you like I’m telling you now, you will still not believe me. right? the illusion of self-control is very convincing… perhaps my greatest accomplishment. so, I control you still!

…so says The Fish

MarlinTheFish wrote:
by my decree you cannot know your subconscious. that is how I control you. if you knew your unconscious, then you’d know I was controlling you. but I do not want you to know. what fun would that be? and even if I tell you like I’m telling you now, you will still not believe me. right? the illusion of self-control is very convincing… perhaps my greatest accomplishment. so, I control you still!

…so says The Fish

:) a fish yes, but a red herring methinks.

Derren Brown.

Anonymous wrote:
Derren Brown.

Would never claim to do such a thing outside the context of stage magic.

‘’Brown used various psychological tools, including conditioning, anchoring and suggestion, to get the group into a mental state in which they would willingly try to rob a security guard, without ever directly being told to do so.'’

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Heist_(Derren_Brown_special)

‘’In a later interview, Brown stated of the experience, “It was shocking, actually, how easy it was.'’

Tymbus wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Derren Brown.

Would never claim to do such a thing outside the context of stage magic.

Supposedly Derren Brown uses mainly NLP.

Although I seriously doubt he pulls off the stunts seen on TV shows and that he describes in the books, he also has said the explanations he gives are incomplete and misleading. Anyway, if he does have a grasp on NLP, it is almost impossible he would be able to completely refrain to use those same concepts in his daily life.

I gotta learn that NLP>

RE; above post-Supposedly Derren Brown uses mainly NLP.No he does not. Darren Brown is totally up front about his work. Outside of the trick he says that he is a magician. He orchastrates new versions of very traditional magic tricks. He uses mis-direction legitimately as part of the magician’s techniques. This mis direction includes, during the trick, claiming that he is using psychology, hypnotism, sub conscious influence. BUT these are “white lies”. They are part of his patter.

It is the former magician/illusionist Paul McKenna who claims to use NLP. It is a bogus sciencve taken up by the self improvement industry and business and sold to a gullable audience.

wikipedia correctly notes that:According to certain neuroscientists,[3] psychologists[4][5] and linguists,[6][7] NLP is unsupported by current scientific evidence, and uses incorrect and misleading terms and concepts.

Gareth Roderique-Davies (2009) stated that “Phenomenological research is free from hypotheses, pre-conceptions and assumptions, and seeks to describe rather than explain. Given the claims made by proponents of NLP, this adds little to the credibility debate and would produce reports concerning the experience from the perspective of the individual rather than confirmation of the claimed efficacy. The fact remains that NLP proponents make specific claims about how NLP works and what it can do and this compels providing evidence to substantiate these claims.” He argued that the proposal to conduct phenomenology research using NLP modeling “constitutes an admission that NLP does not have an evidence base and that NLP practitioners are seeking a post-hoc credibility.”[61]
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Oh Tymbus, you’re right about Derren Brown and NLP. It has been a few years since I’ve read a couple of his books, but Wikipedia quickly brought up the reason why I got that part backwards. The error was that, he did claim using NLP based techniques on his book “Pure Effect” (hence me getting that backwards) although he disagreed on it reliability (when talking about eye accessing cues, but even NLP practitioners agree that it is not a reliable technique by itself).

Wikipedia wrote:
“Brown writes “The truth is I have never mentioned it outside of my book”. Brown does have an off-stage curiosity about the system, and discusses it in the larger context of hypnotism and suggestion.[19][40] In his book “Tricks of the Mind” he mentions that he attended an NLP course with Richard Bandler, co-creator of NLP and mentor of Paul McKenna, but suggests that the rigid systems of body language interpretation employed by NLP are not as reliable as its practitioners imply. He also mentions the NLP concept of eye accessing cues as a technique of “limited use” in his book “Pure Effect”.[41] The language patterns which he uses to suggest behaviours are very similar in style to those used by Richard Bandler and by the hypnotist from whom Bandler learned his skill, Milton H. Erickson.”

You’re right about not being the basis of his technique as a whole though.

However, although saying he is up-front with his work is true, it is also misleading to those that have no clue about his work. (I’m sure you know that but people reading this may not know). He mentioned in one of his books (either “Tricks of the Mind” or “Pure Effect”, since those are the only ones I have) that he is “honest about being dishonest”, when talking about the trueness (is this a word?) of the methods he says he uses in a certain trick when asked about the methods used. Funny saying though, “honest about being dishonest”. :)

On the Neuro-Linguistic Programming controversy, it will always be there, no doubt. A lot of what it grasps does stand unreliable by itself, but on the other hand a lot of it also sticks when properly tried. As far as I know, when several techniques are coupled together the reliability increases exponentially, and each alone may or may not fail. I’m guessing this will always be true with every pseudo-science. After all, even hypnotism has a great deal of controversy attached, but it still keeps going on.

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At the OP, before he buries himself in books: although these are all subjects that feed curiosity, have in mind that those are not techniques that “control someones subconscious”, they are techniques that claim and aim to influence.

Hi Yunikat (love Garfield btw)I forgot Brown began as a acolyte of McCenna and your info suggests that he grew wary of NLP.

Magicians mislead, but even my psychology students are often heavily invested in the idea he “uses psychology” - ie psychological theory and research and the application of these - in his act.

He uses habits we have- to look in one direction rasther than another, to be trusting etc but that’s not the same thing. NLP has only recently arrived and will take time to be forgotten or fall into the disripute it richly desrves or reform itself so that NLP is not really NLP anymore meanwhile fools will part with their money.

But to answer the popst you CAN make people behave in a limited way as you want. eg when sitting talking to someone scratch the tip of your nose. do this a few times. See how long it takes for the person opposite to do the same.