Yes, while you are in this country you are a minor.
It is ILLEGAL for anyone to give you any alcoholic beverages. Even at home.
Must you drink it when they offer it to you?
Instead of focusing on your age, BE a positive example.
Be an example in the way you speak. The way you behave. A good example. Not one that behaves badly because everyone else is acting that way too.
It is not illegal for your parents to give you alcohol in their home. I let my kids drink on special occasions before they were 21. 16 is about the age I let them start. I do not think it is a problem. The laws regarding alcohol have become stronger and stronger all my life. When I was a kid 18 year olds could drink, and you could drive around in your car with a beer or even a bottle of whiskey drinking out of it as long as you were not intoxicated. The present generation has grown up with MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Drivers) brainwashing them into thinking all drinkers are crazed maniacs. It is untrue, only some of us are crazed maniacs…
Reminds me of a story as long as we are on the subject. An acquaintance of mine was forced to attend drunk driving classes and the mother of a girl who was killed by a drunk driver was giving a speech about the dangers of drinking and crying about her poor daughter. My friend asked her what time her daughter was involved in the accident. She replied about 1 AM. My friend told her it was her fault her child was dead, the only people on the streets at 1 AM are cops and drunks… pretty much sums up how I feel about the subject.
Dr. Ralph.
Dangerous and irresponsible!
What nonsense are you talking about?
It is a misdemeanor to sell, furnish, give, or cause to be sold, or to be furnished,
or given away any alcoholic beverage to any person under 21 years in most states.
Just google “furnish alcohol to a minor”.
Youll see dozens and dozens of material regarding this very clear matter.
Dr. Ralph wrote:
When I was a kid 18 year olds could drink, and you could drive around in your car with a beer or even a bottle of whiskey drinking out of it as long as you were not intoxicated.
Just walk up to the nearest police officer and tell him this and see what he says.
If you are a minor it is ILLEGAL to be in possession of alcohol. (anywhere)
My son in law is a cop. Where do you live? I live in the USA and I can legally give my children alcohol… I drank wine in church when I was 10 years old, some churches still do this for communion. If it is in your home or part of a religious activity the law is on your side. Look it up.
meh. not a big deal. as long as you are aware of the dangers (short and long term) and do it infrequently.
just don’t get too cocky about it. it’s still dangerous and you still have to be careful
roofdonkey wrote:
Yes, while you are in this country you are a minor.
It is ILLEGAL for anyone to give you any alcoholic beverages. Even at home.
Must you drink it when they offer it to you?
Instead of focusing on your age, BE a positive example.
Be an example in the way you speak. The way you behave. A good example. Not one that behaves badly because everyone else is acting that way too.
There are different laws everywhere. In Wisconsin, for instance, minors can legally have alcohol at bars if accompanied by their parent or guardian. In most, if not all states, minors can legally drink at home with the permission of their parent or guardian.
Don’t drink much of it. Bad for your brain.
Dr. Ralph wrote:
My son in law is a cop. Where do you live? I live in the USA and I can legally give my children alcohol… I drank wine in church when I was 10 years old, some churches still do this for communion. If it is in your home or part of a religious activity the law is on your side. Look it up.
If your son-in-law cop gives alcohol to a minor he will lose his badge.,
In most states if you give alcohol to a minor you will be arrested.
Why take the chance? This is stupid.
Just google “furnish alcohol to a minor”
roofdonkey wrote:
Dr. Ralph wrote:
My son in law is a cop. Where do you live? I live in the USA and I can legally give my children alcohol… I drank wine in church when I was 10 years old, some churches still do this for communion. If it is in your home or part of a religious activity the law is on your side. Look it up.
If your son-in-law cop gives alcohol to a minor he will lose his badge.,
In most states if you give alcohol to a minor you will be arrested.
Why take the chance? This is stupid.
Just google “furnish alcohol to a minor”
You are right, but parents are allowed to give it to their children. It’s one of the few exceptions to the law
Dagoth Ur (S. M.) wrote:
roofdonkey wrote:
Yes, while you are in this country you are a minor.
It is ILLEGAL for anyone to give you any alcoholic beverages. Even at home.
Must you drink it when they offer it to you?
Instead of focusing on your age, BE a positive example.
Be an example in the way you speak. The way you behave. A good example. Not one that behaves badly because everyone else is acting that way too.
There are different laws everywhere. In Wisconsin, for instance, minors can legally have alcohol at bars if accompanied by their parent or guardian. In most, if not all states, minors can legally drink at home with the permission of their parent or guardian.
“We hold that, where there is sufficient proof at trial, a social host who negligently serves or furnishes intoxicating beverages to a minor guest, and the intoxicants so furnished cause the minor to be intoxicated or cause the minor’s driving ability to be impaired, shall be liable to third persons in the proportion that the negligence in furnishing the beverage to the minor was a substantial factor in causing the accident or injuries, as may be determined under the rules of comparative negligence.” Koback v. Crook, 123 Wis. 2d 259, 266, 366 N.W.2d 857 (1985)
You sure about serving alcohol to minors in wisconsin???
You guys are missing the greater point.
The letter of the law is NOT the message we should be telling our young people.
We need to tell our young people to be examples to their generation of purity and goodness, not of debauchery and lewdness.
roofdonkey wrote:
Dagoth Ur (S. M.) wrote:
roofdonkey wrote:
Yes, while you are in this country you are a minor.
It is ILLEGAL for anyone to give you any alcoholic beverages. Even at home.
Must you drink it when they offer it to you?
Instead of focusing on your age, BE a positive example.
Be an example in the way you speak. The way you behave. A good example. Not one that behaves badly because everyone else is acting that way too.
There are different laws everywhere. In Wisconsin, for instance, minors can legally have alcohol at bars if accompanied by their parent or guardian. In most, if not all states, minors can legally drink at home with the permission of their parent or guardian.
“We hold that, where there is sufficient proof at trial, a social host who negligently serves or furnishes intoxicating beverages to a minor guest, and the intoxicants so furnished cause the minor to be intoxicated or cause the minor’s driving ability to be impaired, shall be liable to third persons in the proportion that the negligence in furnishing the beverage to the minor was a substantial factor in causing the accident or injuries, as may be determined under the rules of comparative negligence.” Koback v. Crook, 123 Wis. 2d 259, 266, 366 N.W.2d 857 (1985)
You sure about serving alcohol to minors in wisconsin???
Positive. I lived there for years and am quite familiar with laws there.
Dagoth Ur (S. M.) wrote:
roofdonkey wrote:
Dagoth Ur (S. M.) wrote:
roofdonkey wrote:
Yes, while you are in this country you are a minor.
It is ILLEGAL for anyone to give you any alcoholic beverages. Even at home.
Must you drink it when they offer it to you?
Instead of focusing on your age, BE a positive example.
Be an example in the way you speak. The way you behave. A good example. Not one that behaves badly because everyone else is acting that way too.
There are different laws everywhere. In Wisconsin, for instance, minors can legally have alcohol at bars if accompanied by their parent or guardian. In most, if not all states, minors can legally drink at home with the permission of their parent or guardian.
“We hold that, where there is sufficient proof at trial, a social host who negligently serves or furnishes intoxicating beverages to a minor guest, and the intoxicants so furnished cause the minor to be intoxicated or cause the minor’s driving ability to be impaired, shall be liable to third persons in the proportion that the negligence in furnishing the beverage to the minor was a substantial factor in causing the accident or injuries, as may be determined under the rules of comparative negligence.” Koback v. Crook, 123 Wis. 2d 259, 266, 366 N.W.2d 857 (1985)
You sure about serving alcohol to minors in wisconsin???
Positive. I lived there for years and am quite familiar with laws there.
You can still be charged for negligence of supplying alcohol to a minor in Wisconsin. (Sorenson and Koback, a person may be held liable for negligence in providing alcoholic beverages to an underage person under Wis. Stat. §125.07(1)(a):)
Make sure you are VERY familiar.
roofdonkey wrote:
You guys are missing the greater point.
The letter of the law is NOT the message we should be telling our young people.
We need to tell our young people to be examples to their generation of purity and goodness, not of debauchery and lewdness.
You are always responsible for the actions of your minor children whether you give them alcohol or not roofdonkey, your legal quote is basically worthless. If you give alcohol to someone else’s child you become liable for them. We are not talking about giving alcohol to anyone besides your own children. It is legal here. If you get them drunk you can be charged with child neglect or reckless endangerment but the chances of that are slim and none if you and your child are home alone watching a Superbowl or something. Ahem…
I do not consider drinking one small cup worth of Vodka lewd or debauched. Your morals are skewed in my mind, even Jesus drank wine. Do you expect people to behave better than Jesus? Apparently so.
roofdonkey wrote:
You guys are missing the greater point.
The letter of the law is NOT the message we should be telling our young people.
We need to tell our young people to be examples to their generation of purity and goodness, not of debauchery and lewdness.
in the sense that you are using it here, what exactly is “purity”?
I’ll tell you: it’s a made up word used to shame and guilt people into doing what you want them to do. “purity” outside of the world of chemistry is nothing but a myth.
drinking alcohol doesn’t make you bad. getting drunk doesn’t make you bad.
and I agree: following the law doesn’t make you moral, it only makes you obedient. but you’re the one who looked up and quoted the law!
Purity is not a made-up word.
It is a word that is becoming more and more forgotten these days.
Something that is rare and often relegated to those who through their OWN lack of it condemn it as something unattainable or foreign.
It is not.
What purity IS…
A person having a sober mind.
One who is self-controlled, and doesnt run headlong into any and every desire which crosses their path and leads to destruction.
A person who is respectable to themself and to others.
This person is hospitable, and able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome nor a lover of money, a person submissive to authority and exhibits dignity in all he/she does.
A person that does not strive for purity in his life, lives by the motto:
“Lets eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
That is the life of a fool, who ignores sound reason, who does not treasure or consider the value of wisdom and good standing with God and love for his fellow human being.
Dr. Ralph wrote:
I do not consider drinking one small cup worth of Vodka lewd or debauched. Your morals are skewed in my mind, even Jesus drank wine. Do you expect people to behave better than Jesus? Apparently so.
Your way is perverted.
Jesus never encouraged others to drink wine or to strive for it.
I never said that one small cup of vodka is evidence of lewdness or debauchery.
You are missing the greater point!
This is third time I am saying this.
We must encourage our young people to strive for purity and to be examples.
We must NOT encourage them to “find the line”, so to speak.
Better to STRIVE for good, than to merely not “do bad”, curse the darkness or define where “evil” begins, so to speak.
Its astounding to me that those that disbelieve in Jesus or God or the things that Jesus taught seem to think that they know about it than those who do.
Dr Ralph, God is no respector of persons.
Since you claim to know what scriptures says…
You must also know that it is BETTER for a person to have a millstone tied around their neck and cast into the sea than to cause one of these “little ones” to sin.
By anyone’s counsel, if a child or young person is giving encouragement or an increased option to indulge in their sinful desires, woe to that person.
And where is your love for this child of Russia who drinks a small cup of vodka with her parents? All I have heard is lies about the law and condemnation. Perhaps this is their way of communing with each other and it brings them closer.
Praise the Lord my soul. He makes wine that gladdens human hearts… have you read Psalm 104?
roofdonkey wrote:
Purity is not a made-up word.
It is a word that is becoming more and more forgotten these days.
Something that is rare and often relegated to those who through their OWN lack of it condemn it as something unattainable or foreign.
It is not.
What purity IS…
A person having a sober mind.
One who is self-controlled, and doesnt run headlong into any and every desire which crosses their path and leads to destruction.
A person who is respectable to themself and to others.
This person is hospitable, and able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome nor a lover of money, a person submissive to authority and exhibits dignity in all he/she does.
A person that does not strive for purity in his life, lives by the motto:
“Lets eat and drink, for tomorrow we die”
That is the life of a fool, who ignores sound reason, who does not treasure or consider the value of wisdom and good standing with God and love for his fellow human being.
ha! hook, line and sinker.
most of this is ridiculous (like #3… being respectable), but there’s no sense in bringing up all of my objections, since one ought to be sufficient:
what if by trying to be “submissive to authority” I am ordered to be violent or quarrelsome? what then?
John 2:1-11
King James Version (KJV)
2 And the third day there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee; and the mother of Jesus was there:
2 And both Jesus was called, and his disciples, to the marriage.
3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.
4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.
5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.
6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.
7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.
9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,
10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.
Jesus never encouraged others to drink, he just turned 150 gallons of water into wine…
Dr. Ralph wrote:
Jesus never encouraged others to drink, he just turned 150 gallons of water into wine…
likely they didn’t need much encouragement. I hear the water in Galilee was fairly polluted after all
roofdonkey wrote:
Jesus never encouraged others to drink wine
Yeah, you’re forgetting about that whole turning water into wine thing, aren’t you?
roofdonkey
Dr. Ralph
MarlinTheFish
Dagoth Ur (S. M.)
Ahhotep