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I suppose someone should mention to you that alcohol is a depressant, so it isn’t likely to help you escape from depression except in that you’re dizzy and intoxicated for a while and then too distracted by recovering to feel the normal things of life.

This may seem odd because people get wild and crazy happy while drunk, or go into depths of blissful oblivion, but part of the mechanism whereby alcohol has these effects is by subduing, suppressing, or depressing some of the normal functioning of the brain. For example, people may do very risky and crazy things while drunk — not because of increase courage, but because of suppressed inhibition. The normal regulatory thoughts and behaviours may not be active or remembered.

Also, fresh air can give you energy. Go outside, yes, breath in the air, get fresh energy, be happy.

Savanna_ wrote:
Made me laugh ;)

Yay! :)

president mindhealer wrote:

Savanna_ wrote:
Made me laugh ;)

Yay! :)

See, I am not just mean and uncaring. I actually like you, and so then when someone threatens your life, as you do, I’m not very accepting of that person. I’d prefer you defended you from yourself, since none of us can do that. But that’s just a random wish from a stranger.

Random ideas:
By loving yourself and detaching from any self-harmful thinking. You take those thoughts and feelings really seriously like they’re important just because they’re in your head, but in all actuality, most of the thoughts and feelings we have could have come from elsewhere. Suppose that in a normal day, ten people are slightly annoyed with you and whisper, “go kill yourself”. It wouldn’t affect you much, but what if your emotional immune system is somewhat depressed and the insults pierce straight through your soul and bounce around your mind for a month. Then you’ve got all these thoughts that are your enemy, yet you might choose to take them seriously just because they’re in your mind and fit with your mood.

That’s just a random thought. Basically, any way you could choose to accept yourself and be on the side of your own life would defend you from the opposing traits or habits that are in favor of ultimately hurting you.

I mean that you actuall do defend your self-harmful thinking.That’s taking it way too far. And saying you would murder yourself and things like that.

I just read a quote thing on tumblr, something like this:

An old cherokee man told his nephew about the two wolves everyone has fighting in their mind. One is mean and hurtful and angry and evil. The other is nice and good and helpful and loving and happy.
The nephew asks, “Which one wins?” The old man says, “The one you feed.”

Sorry to babble so much. You ask questions I don’t expect.

I could tell you how antidepressant drugs worked for me or all the other ways I’ve found to cope and find meaning and energy and hope, etc, but I’m just one little person with one set of experiences. I did learn a lot, both the easy ways and the hard ways, but still I’m just one little person — and also I think that you would be cynical of the things I know to be most helpful… you could learn so much from everyone who has had to deal with similar things. Have you looked around anything like this support group: http://www.dailystrength.org/c/Depres… ?

Anyway people can be energy draining, but fresh air is really helpful if you avoid all the people and sit under a tree and then walk around. I know that based on my experience of today, in which I spoke to precisely one person all day long, to ask him about his job for the park.

Well I was on much stronger antipsychotic drugs too at the same time, but it was all for being so incredibly depressed. And how it helped was by moving me out of that state completely into sort of a neutral, medium state of mind. Like if you think of depression as being really low and ecstasy being really high, then I was stuck right in a pleasant middle. And I couldn’t think very complex thoughts. And I stopped having any problem dealing with people, because I discovered that they treated me exactly the same even though I couldn’t thing any slightly complex thought at all. And I realized that all the “sitting and thinking” to try to improve my moods somehow had been completely irrelevant. Obviously, I guess, if it doesn’t work then you’re trying the wrong thing or doing it in the wrong way, but it took actually having a solution that stayed month after month for me to look back at former futile efforts and realize how useless they had been.
Once I realized the best possible things, I stopped taking those drugs. Everyone told me not to, I didn’t care, I didn’t want to be so brain crippled, and it had given me something worthwhile that enhance my understanding. It’s just one thing, though, there are unlimited numbers of possible solutions to make life better, and each person has to find the things that will help them. This is one reason I suggest checking out a site with lots of resources like that other one I mentioned — you can read thousands of reviews of each type of treatment, talk to all sorts of different people about them.

My keyboard really sucks, that’s my excuse for why it keeps dropping letters.

Oh, goodnight. All last year mostly what I was doing was “waking up”. Maybe for a year or two. This is one way out of everything that sucks because I’d wake up confused and grumpy every day and spend all day trying to wake up into betterness.

Anyway, goodnight.

Savanna_ wrote:
But prevents over thinking..

It made me see how irrelevant thinking and intelligence were. I didn’t feel “doped” like intoxicated in some way, but I was not ever at all unhappy or worried. I went from having not talked to anyone in months to going out and getting a job dealing with people. And I had no problem with it. I already had good social skills but there were as hidden as everything of my life was hidden under some major life traumas and dramas and et ceteras. This was a couple years after figuring out that there was nothing at all worthwhile about depression or the other mood disorders I had — I really tried so many things, and learned the really hard and slow way. It all would have been so unnecessary if I could have just done something like browse that dailystrength site for a couple hours a day when I was 17 and beyond normal feelings and contact by anyone. And I think something like that isn’t very good, but it’s better than trying to puzzle out the meaning of depression by yourself, without as much knowledge about it all.

president mindhealer wrote:

Savanna_ wrote:
But prevents over thinking..

It made me see how irrelevant thinking and intelligence were. I didn’t feel “doped” like intoxicated in some way, but I was not ever at all unhappy or worried.

I forgot to explain why that was good. Obviously being a blissed out zombie is not the ideal state. What was good about it was what it taught me about my moods. Things I certainly knew somewhere underneath, but I didn’t realize at all in all my conscious striving to resolve things or figure something out. It just showed me how I could be okay with life from moment to moment and hour to hour. I told the psychologist that he was an idiot and he said he didn’t want to work with me an more. I told the psychiatrist that the drugs were bad and gave me suicidal tendencies (true story), and she said “we’ll just keep you on them.” So my plan was to seem and be “as sane as possible as soon as possible” to get off the drugs that were so bad for me. But with that being my only goal and the drugs providing certain mood adjustments that were a good thing for me to know about, everything got better.

Some people recommend things like that as a “cure” or “solution”. I only mention it as being a valuable learning experience. Drugs are not the way to go, in my opinion, but you have to try a lot of different things if you have a life you don’t really know how to deal with.

Staying inside and going outside are both equally valuable.

Hey Savanna, I may have been having similar feelings to yours as of late… mostly just being tired all the time, unmotivated, and depressed. I recently got out of it, though, and I’m maintaining a good enough mood to focus on other people. So yeah… I’m just wondering if perhaps you’d like to talk outside of Help.com? Either about what you deal with, or just to talk in general? I’d like to listen to what you have to say; cuz’ listening is what I do best. :)

Sorry. Here I am. My name’s actually Alyssa, though…