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I have a small business with a staff of 12 includeing me.

4 of us have worked together since 1988. 5 of us for 16 or more years & the remaining 3 for nearly 2 years. In Marvh of 2011, a married couple ex-employee team conspired to sell another companies products while still in our employed by us. When a customer told us about this we fired the couple and within 2 weeks they filed a fraudulent wage, hour, rest & meal break law suit against us. -We need help! We cannot afford the legal expences & still stay in business. I am one of the co-founders of the company & I have a responsibility to these people. These people spent their lives making our company sucessful & we have all worked very hard to make our business succeed only to see these 2 greedy ex-employes take adventage of the legal system to make false claims. If they win this suit it will put us out of business. I have promised that I will not let that happen, but as the suit progresses I don’t know if we can afford the costs & still stay in business. I am reachung out for help of any kind. I’ve thought about trying to get a news agency to look at our story, but I don’t even know where to start. Maybe starting a blog, or a legal defence fund, or just legal help. Any help!

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Zirbel offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (17 minutes after post)

Nobody can help you without knowing ALL facts about.
But you HAVE to see a lawyer!
And stay away from any publications by news agencies (they are anyway not interested on such stories at all) or such, because you could be charged with defamation!

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fran offline Verified User (10 months, 3 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (30 minutes after post)

I have attorneies now and it is becoming very expensive to defend the business, that is why I started to think about alternative actions. This case is so fraudulent that I thought if I could get a news agency to look at it, it would not only help us, but it may help other businesses in a similar situation. The Plaintiffs are only in interested in taking advantag of the system. In calfornia an employee can sue at no cost to them. This leaves all of the cost on the employer. The estimated cost of defending the company is $100,000, which is far nore than any small business can afford. Getting the story out to the public might help.

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Zirbel offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (43 minutes after post)

fran wrote:
I have attorneies now and it is becoming very expensive to defend the business, that is why I started to think about alternative actions. This case is so fraudulent that I thought if I could get a news agency to look at it, it would not only help us, but it may help other businesses in a similar situation. The Plaintiffs are only in interested in taking advantag of the system. In calfornia an employee can sue at no cost to them. This leaves all of the cost on the employer. The estimated cost of defending the company is $100,000, which is far nore than any small business can afford. Getting the story out to the public might help.

No, as I said, you risk to be charged with defamation, which can cost you a fortune!
You can inform the media if the lawsuit will be finished — in favour of you.
But better and less cost-intensive could be — depending on the case, of course — to make an extrajudicial settlement with the other party.
And keep in mind: To be right and to got right are two different things!

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fran offline Verified User (10 months, 3 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (52 minutes after post)

Same problem. They want to much. This case os nothing more than extortion. Maybe Michael Moore would like to do a movie about what it is like to be a small businessman in California.

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Zirbel offline Verified User (2 years, 10 months) Long Term User Shouts: 4 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (53 minutes after post)

fran wrote:
Same problem. They want to much. This case os nothing more than extortion. Maybe Michael Moore would like to do a movie about what it is like to be a small businessman in California.

Oh no, forget it!

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The Sherlockian online Verified User (5 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 24 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 hours, 21 minutes after post)

My dear small business owner, tell your lawyers to COUNTERSUE for violating a non-competition clause or understanding among all of you. Countersue for damages. Go on the offense!

With a countersuit, they’ll think twice about going ahead with their own suit!

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Max offline Verified User (5 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 33 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 hours, 49 minutes after post)

With all due respect, this post doesn’t sound or smell right.
It’s completely illegal to undermine the business you are employed with.
Common sense and most lawyers don’t need advice how to proceed with their defense.
You do not sound like a business owner to me.

What is the real problem?

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fran offline Verified User (10 months, 3 weeks) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Unknown Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (9 hours, 39 minutes after post)

Good morning.. I don’t think you completly understand. We have been in business over 30 years & we are in the right, the real problem is California labor law which allows any employee to file any law suit at no cost to them. A labor lawyer cannot charge the employee unless they win. Then the attorney gets 33% of the settlemient plus all their attorney fees. This makes it impossible to fight till the end unless you have major financiall resources at your disposal. 99% of businesses settle out of cost rather than fight. This has created a culture in California of fraudulent law suits that never get to court because it cost businesses les to settle than it costs to win. We have already spent $25,000 on our defence and we will have to spend another $80,000 and there is no gaurantee that we will win. That is why I was asking for help. If I knew how to sarrt a fund, I could do something to help ourselves as well as other small businesses that may face this type of law suit in the future and hopefully we could put a stop to this type of action. The person filing the suit should have to pay theur own attorney if they lose. Then they would think twice about filing fraudunt law suits.

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Max offline Verified User (5 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 33 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 days, 2 hours after post)

See a bureaucrat as you are an employer who creates economic wealth for the community.
The law does have an avenue to protect you.

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southern_comfort offline Verified User (7 years, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 37 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 days, 5 hours after post)

I don’t know law much less California laws relating to employment. I’m a bit confused from your opening statement. Did both husband and wife work for you at one time or only one of them? Do you have in your hiring contract a non-compete clause? What is the other company that they worked for… a competitor of yours? If so you may be able to sue this company, not just your ex-employee(s). How far has the case progressed so far? Is it only a single judge that is deciding this? Since they brought the suit against you the onus is on them to prove that you did something wrong such as non-payment according to the contract. If you withheld wages after learning of their sideline business you are in the wrong. Also if you failed to pay compensation they were entitled to you can be held liable for those too, I would think.

Be up front with your lawyer. Tell him you don’t have the funds to pay him/her fully at the moment. He will either have to change the amount he is going to charge you or recommend a different lawyer handle the case from now on.

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southern_comfort offline Verified User (7 years, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 37 #
An Undisclosed Location | 10 months, 3 weeks ago (2 days, 5 hours after post)

If you are to defend this lawsuit, you need to prove that they were working for a competitor while on your clock. I don’t know how you go about doing this though.

And I agree with Zirbel; leave the press out of it. When Goliath goes after David, they will side with David every single time. Borrow the money or find a investor willing to spot you some capital for your defense. It matters not how long you have been in business or how loyal your employees are. Lemmings are just that. Lemmings.

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