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Any law savy people out there?

K heres the situation. Yesterday I had a police officer come to my door at like 10pm. I opened, spoke to him, he asked me if i would come outside to talk to him there, I did and was arrested for criminal mischeif.

Heres the situation. they are saying I spray painted someones house, and apparently a bunch of other peoples places got vandalised as well. Now they have three other people they are (I guess) treating as suspects as well. I am charged tho, dunno about the others.

Anyways, there are i guess four other places that were vandalised on the same night around the same time.

My question is, the police officer tried to get me to confess with a statement “There are four other places that were vandalised that night, now you can confess now and speed this up, or the other officers that are investigating those incidents can come back and arrest you four more times.

I of course didnt fall for this, but heres the question… Can I argue in court that since they stated that these all occured at the same time on the same day and they are trying to say that the same people (and me) did it, that they should be treated as one charge? (criminal mischeif over 5000$)

My hope here is that it actually does not add up to more then 5000$ first of all, and second, if there is a different police officer for each of those different locations, that the effects of calling them all into court all on the same day will mitigate some of the officers testimonies as im pretty sure they all wont show up.

so my argument in court would be (assuming they are dumb and try to charge me with all of these around the same time and assuming they even have evidence to prove it) that it would be too difficult for me to call in my alibi’s and witnesses for each of the trials and would cause undue hardship as the time off work and the fact that I am hoping to move across the province soon would be a cause of sevear stress for me and as it is the prosecutors job to prove me guilty this burden should not fall on me.

Would love to hear your oppinions on this situation.

and no i didnt do it, and yes I can come up with an alibi. But their other suspects are trying to lie and say i was there (had a fall out with these people when they were my friends and they hate me… all cause i stopped drinking and having parties and straightened out my life… so this is really not helping lol)

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Anonymous #
9 months ago (57 minutes after post)

There are four other places that were vandalised that night, now you can confess now and speed this up, or the other officers that are investigating those incidents can come back and arrest you four more times.

How can u be at 4 places at the same time?

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DarkSnow offline Verified User (3 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 9 months ago (58 minutes after post)

No. That won’t work. At least… assuming that you’re in the US…
If you kill 10 people, you can be charged for 10 murders. Even if it’s all in the same day at the same time by the same person.

The law has one incident of each offense. And in trial you can be convicted for any number of them, from 0 all the way up to as many houses as were vandalized. Whether you confess or not, they will try to prove you guilty of each of the acts of vandalism.

Assuming that you’re not telling the truth and you’re guilty, my advice is to not say anything to the police until you’ve talked to an attorney. At worst case, you’d only admit guilt to the crimes after making a deal with the police (if possible).
Assuming that you’re telling the truth and you are innocent, still don’t say anything to the police. They can misremember things, mess up interrogations, etc. and it can come back to haunt you later. Say nothing. Unless, of course, your attorney advises it. But you can’t make yourself seem innocent or better your chances by talking to the police.

Watch this, if you have some free time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4…

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DarkSnow offline Verified User (3 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 9 months ago (1 hour after post)

Either way, though, I hope justice is served =)

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Anonymous #
9 months ago (1 hour, 13 minutes after post)

Canada.

I see what your saying with the murder example. But it is not my responsibility to prove my innocence in court, its the prosecutors job to prove me guilty. If I have to call witnesses numerous court dates for the same charges that happened on the same night around the same time, over and over when they will be saying the same things over and over as the charges are so similar and my alibi was for the whole night… then it becomes an unnecessary burden on myself as I am supposed to be innocent until PROVEN guilty.

I also have the officer stating that they I should confess to speed up the court trial and help myself out as “they will connect the others to me”.

Now to have the same court, with the same witnesses and alibi’s over and over seems pointless does it not? the ONLY witnesses that would be different are the investigating officers as their only “witnesses” are the people who are trying to implicate me.

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Anonymous #
9 months ago (1 hour, 15 minutes after post)

Anonymous wrote:
There are four other places that were vandalised that night, now you can confess now and speed this up, or the other officers that are investigating those incidents can come back and arrest you four more times.

How can u be at 4 places at the same time?

Lol I think they mean four places around the same time. Like between 7am-8am type of thing.

and I know, they are trying to harass me into confessing in my opinion. THREATENING to arrest me four more times if i dont confess… Might also be another defence in court. lol.

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Anonymous #
9 months ago (1 hour, 20 minutes after post)

DarkSnow wrote:
Either way, though, I hope justice is served =)

I do as well, but properly and to the right people. lmfao.

and no I didnt say anything to the police. Ive always been interested in law (actually got my grade 12 law done in grade 10 lmfao) but just wanted to discuss the situation with other people. :) helps me think sometimes and is good experience so I can hear peoples ideas on how to help me, or peoples criticisms or explinations why it wouldnt work as the prosecutor could possibly argue the same thing and to hear the explinations ahead of time gives me ideas on how to argue against their argument.

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An Undisclosed Location | 9 months ago (1 hour, 24 minutes after post)

Okay, Canada. Not as familiar with laws there.
Here everything that they are going to convict you for will be done at the same time. With my example for the 10 murders, you’d go to court once for all 10 of those murders, even though they will consider your guilt on each of them separately.

You really don’t have to worry about it. As you are innocent until proven guilty, you can drag your feet all you want. They’re the ones who have to arrange everything with the people. And they try to make it all on the same day if they can so that they don’t have to waste so much time. The justice system is very slow in Canada as well, I imagine ^^

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DarkSnow offline Verified User (3 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 9 months ago (1 hour, 26 minutes after post)

Anonymous wrote:

DarkSnow wrote:
Either way, though, I hope justice is served =)

I do as well, but properly and to the right people. lmfao.

and no I didnt say anything to the police. Ive always been interested in law (actually got my grade 12 law done in grade 10 lmfao) but just wanted to discuss the situation with other people. :) helps me think sometimes and is good experience so I can hear peoples ideas on how to help me, or peoples criticisms or explinations why it wouldnt work as the prosecutor could possibly argue the same thing and to hear the explinations ahead of time gives me ideas on how to argue against their argument.

Makes complete sense =) Always good to check with other people when you can ^^ Although you have to make sure that they aren’t wrong and leading you astray =P
Get ideas from them about the kinds of things to look for, but double-check everything that you can to see if they’re right.

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Anonymous #
9 months ago (2 hours, 20 minutes after post)

DarkSnow wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
DarkSnow wrote:
Either way, though, I hope justice is served =)

I do as well, but properly and to the right people. lmfao.

and no I didnt say anything to the police. Ive always been interested in law (actually got my grade 12 law done in grade 10 lmfao) but just wanted to discuss the situation with other people. :) helps me think sometimes and is good experience so I can hear peoples ideas on how to help me, or peoples criticisms or explinations why it wouldnt work as the prosecutor could possibly argue the same thing and to hear the explinations ahead of time gives me ideas on how to argue against their argument.

Makes complete sense =) Always good to check with other people when you can ^^ Although you have to make sure that they aren’t wrong and leading you astray =P
Get ideas from them about the kinds of things to look for, but double-check everything that you can to see if they’re right.

yes, canadas medical system, justice system and every other system is REALLY slow. lol.

But thanks for your input lol. I definitially check on facts mentioned here, but sometimes dont think about them haha XD

Thanks again for your posts! and if anyone else has any ideas, questions, criticisms (constructive ones mind you) or ideas feel free to post still! Always open to them :)

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The Sherlockian offline Verified User (5 years, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 41 #
An Unknown Location | 9 months ago (11 hours, 39 minutes after post)

The cops love to get people to confess . . . even if they didn’t do the crime! It makes the cops look good to “solve” cases.

Yes, the cops must PROVE you did it, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here’s what I can tell you:

1. You need a lawyer.
2. You need to provide your lawyer with your alibi.
3 You need to get your lawyer to have the charges dropped for lack of evidence before you get to any trial.
4. If you don’t get a lawyer, you will be screwed.

More than one person has gone to jail on “circumstantial evidence.” And if your buds, or former buds, implicate you, then you will have to have an alibi. If your alibi is a person of good character, it will trump the false testimony of people arrested for vandalism.

But you must get a lawyer!

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Anonymous #
8 months, 4 weeks ago (5 days, 23 hours after post)

The Sherlockian wrote:
The cops love to get people to confess . . . even if they didn’t do the crime! It makes the cops look good to “solve” cases.

Yes, the cops must PROVE you did it, beyond a reasonable doubt.

Here’s what I can tell you:

1. You need a lawyer.
2. You need to provide your lawyer with your alibi.
3 You need to get your lawyer to have the charges dropped for lack of evidence before you get to any trial.
4. If you don’t get a lawyer, you will be screwed.

More than one person has gone to jail on “circumstantial evidence.” And if your buds, or former buds, implicate you, then you will have to have an alibi. If your alibi is a person of good character, it will trump the false testimony of people arrested for vandalism.

But you must get a lawyer!

Cant afford a lawyer, I do have some experience with court and defending myself (although only for traffic tickets lol) Although I am 4 wins 1 loss.

I have already done some sleuthing, found out that the “witnesses” stories all contradict each other. Got it in writing too. There are VITAL parts of the stories that dont match, I.E for example one person says they used my car and so-and-so drove it, while the other person says this other person drove another persons car, and one person even said I MYSELF drove my car. so… right there, I think I should be able to prove that the stories are lies.

quick question tho, if im found not guilty and can prove that they are lying… is there anyway I can sue? I mean, this is gonna cause me stress, force me to take time off work, and I can assume cost me a little bit of money?

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The Sherlockian offline Verified User (5 years, 1 month) Long Term User Shouts: 41 #
An Unknown Location | 8 months, 3 weeks ago (1 week, 1 day after post)

Yes, you can sue them for slander and defamation of character in a civil court. Plus, the DA can file false swearing–perjury–charges against them.

Get a lawyer, though!

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