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do you think its better to have false hope rather than no hope?

should you accept the truth but still have a bit of hope regardless?
this is more of a philisophical question as i dont really want to get into the details on this post(allready done that on another one)

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Ditzy offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Help.com Volunteer Moderator Long Term User Shouts: 21 #
Ventura, CA, US | 1 year, 5 months ago (4 minutes after post)

I think any hope is always good … no matter what.

However everything has a life time that it will live. Like a relationship - if its dead there is no point in going backwards and hoping to relight it!

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tommysize offline Verified User (1 year, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (20 minutes after post)

i just feel pity that what they are hoping for is not going to happen and they seem to be comprimising on their beliefs in order to have a little bit of hope..but i suppose it makes the situation easier to cope with..but is that really the best thing in the long run?

i suppose im not making much sense without the story : my mums is a christian and believes that suicide sends you to hell..and her brother killed himself yesterday…her religous friends are saying that he wont ********** because he had a mental illness(im not sure what)..but isnt suicide suicide?how can there be exeptions.it justs seems like they making their beliefs suit themselves.
and i think thats wrong but i dont want to tell my mum that as she will just burst into tears.i dont know what to do!

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tommysize offline Verified User (1 year, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (22 minutes after post)

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tommysize offline Verified User (1 year, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (23 minutes after post)

i cant beleive they block that out! gooo tooo hellll

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Ditzy offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Help.com Volunteer Moderator Long Term User Shouts: 21 #
Ventura, CA, US | 1 year, 5 months ago (33 minutes after post)

Hahaha … and breath! you can believe what you want to believe! whats the harm in that. Why should a book tell you wot to do. I say have hope and stuff other wise there is no point in living!

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tommysize offline Verified User (1 year, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (43 minutes after post)

thanks for your opinion.its just that theyve dedicated their life to this “book” and now something has come along that might not fit into it and they seem to just i dunno whatever its probably best just to leave it. thanks

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Jacky offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 5 months ago (1 hour, 19 minutes after post)

That’s the problem with a fixed philosophy unfortunately tommysize. Experience, knowledge and hope can frequently contradict such a system leaving the believer in paradox. Hope is an important human cognitive process without which we wouldn’t achieve as much as we are able. I have ‘false hopes’ about many things, but then some extraordinary things have happened to me that I wouldn’t have dared hope for at the time. Best just to be relativly restrained and not let the most excessive fantasies infrindge on your everyday life. Better check my lottery tickets, I reckon I’m in with a good chance…

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mills offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 14 #
Moncks Corner, SC, US | 1 year, 5 months ago (1 hour, 33 minutes after post)

Hmmm, false hope rather than no hope. Thats a hard question for me to answer, but I guess it depends on what you’re hoping for. But I do agree with Ditzy, its always better to have some hope rather than no hope at all. It always drives us more and keeps us going in life.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 hours, 2 minutes after post)

Religion is important but faith is much more important !!

Your faith is what you believe not what the others are tellling you to believe. Jesus never talked about suicide or even about hell (just read the gospels). The catholic church invented the hell and heavens in 325 BC at the nicea council.

You don’t need to go to church to pray, you don’t need a priest blessing to have the faith.

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An Unknown Location | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 hours, 5 minutes after post)

There’s a mistake in my last message :

It’s not 325 BC but 325 after Christ.

Sorry about that !

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Willtreme offline Verified User (1 year, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 9 #
La Jolla, CA, US | 1 year, 5 months ago (10 hours, 15 minutes after post)

hope always helps, even if it might be pointless in the end

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wretch offline Verified User (1 year, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Durham, NH, US | 1 year, 5 months ago (1 day, 5 hours after post)

when there is no answer, and there is no answer in The Bible either… then presumming to know either way is arrogant. \

i heard an expression the other day… winners are not afraid of losing, they just hate to lose so they try harder and when they do lose they learn from it to not make same mistake again.

i hope your mom does not give up hope, in this case i believe there is always hope. they don’t say “God works in Mysterious Ways” for nothing.

My step - gramps has esophogial cancer and it got to the point where he could not eat and was starving to death. he was still at home and had already lost his wife. he was a policeman and a marine. he was a kind and generous man who made my om feel like he really had a father.

he chose to take his own life rather than end it in a nursing home with iv’s. I am sad because i would have even wanted that time with him. but i respect his choice in this. i would not have wished him to do it and who knows what plans God may have had for him that were different. this is why we say God does not want us to take our won lives… yet I know for a fact (you can ask me how if you want) that he is with Jesus in heaven this very day…

love your mom, try not to be too disappointed or angry with your brother… it is very sad what he choce to do and we cannot know what God revealed to your brother in the moment of his decision. i will pray for all of you - i hope you can pray for me (((tommysize)))

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Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (1 day, 6 hours after post)

i like what you say in your first couple of lines.
thats what i think about the arguement about how the world was created..was it god or did it just happen. theres no way anyone can prove beyond any slight doubt that the world was created in either way.so its pointless to argue about.
it just turns into a clash of religion vs science.

but i feel religion is stupid as there are so many and they all seem to overlap each other in places and really i cant be arsed with it, as all it leads to are non-productive arguements.
i believe in god….i dont care about what all the guidelines are (no suicide,no stealing,adultary) im just going to lead a good honest life and try to do everything in moderation and doing what i really think is right.because i seriously doubt that any ONE religion can hold all the answers as otherwise why would there be so many sects of different religions.
i think its best just to go out of your way to help others and SPREAD THE LOVE.man i sound like a hippy.

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Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (1 day, 6 hours after post)

oh and i pray very occasionally as i dont have much to say to him. but ill mention you;)

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sweet_heart79200 offline Verified User (1 year, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Calgary, AB, CA | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 days, 7 hours after post)

be strong…..have faith……

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Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 days, 7 hours after post)

hope but dont expect

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animal offline Verified User (2 years) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Norfolk, VA, US | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 days, 8 hours after post)

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Its how I live everyday!

Also, Never lower your standards! Only lower your expectations. If your expectations are high, you stand a better chance of being disappointed. If your expectations are low, not only can you avoid disappointment but you will often be well satisfied by thresults!

Everyone need hope! The opposite is hopeless, It brings a feeling of despair!

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jetmoo offline Verified User (1 year, 8 months) Long Term User Shouts: 10 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 days, 8 hours after post)

remember it is also said that God is all forgiving

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 days, 8 hours after post)

Y’ know what I think, I believe that there is a God, but no one really knows if the things in the Bible are what he said, people just believe, theres nothing wrong with that. really anything that God does is up to him, no one knows what will happen to your brother, to help me stop doing bad things I sometimes think that I will get punished, but I think that God probs loves us all so much that he would not see us get hurt that bad like what we think of hell.There may not even be one, you never know. punishment is used so we can learn from our mistakes. If we arnt going to learn from mistakes and go on with the new knowledge, then what is the point of the punishment, it would just be cruel to do that. And I dont think God would be mean like that. We are human and not perfect. It is not right to be ungrateful for what you are given, God might have been upset with him, but maybe he will just learn from it and carry on if you know what I mean. And you and everyone else will meet up again :)
Did that make any sense?

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Prickwillow, I9, GB | 1 year, 5 months ago (2 days, 11 hours after post)

yeah it made sense………but hes not my brother hes my uncle…my mums brother

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An Undisclosed Location | 1 year, 5 months ago (4 days, 2 hours after post)

oh ok, silly me lol I hope every one is ok

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learningtobreathe offline Verified User (1 month) Shouts: 0 #
An Undisclosed Location | 1 month ago (1 year, 4 months after post)

False hope is better than real hope.

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