Do whatever makes you happy. Nobody else can make you believe in something. It has to come from within.
the fools are the ones who never question. you are not a fool
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but when i question the people that believe this thing, they treat me like i am ignorant, brcause what they believe is believed by so many others and is documented in many written works
thats because there narrow minded ppl, who were raised to dislike people unlike them in there beliefs. ignore them
by the by where is all this coming from? you just had enough?
Yeah I know what you mean. I don’t believe in santa either.
I’m confused… are we supposed to guess what it is? Because that could range from God to global warming… and everyone here knows that you aren’t ignorant. If you can be honest about it any place, its here. But if you don’t believe in it, then you don’t believe in it. If the evidence isn’t enough to convince you, that’s not your fault. Its the evidence itself or whoever misrepresented it is at fault.
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i am just amazed by these peoples arrogance, and fanatisism. it seems so irrational, but they claim it is the truth, and nothing you say can make them see the flaws, or address them. they always have an excuse. And they cannot even see how rigid their thinking is….it just disturbs me a little, but like i say, so much of what they believe seems right…idk
I still have no idea… love? god? the government? parasites?
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and open minded person that questions is never a fool
Ok, what Ã…KLOGISTIC is saying is that it doesn’t matter what the topic is and how many people believe it. It’s about what you believe and the way people jugde you because you believe or don’t believe in any given case. Am I close Ã…KLOGISTIC?
Yes but some instances can be explained. Like if its a religion where you’re not allowed to question it, then they wouldn’t dare and instead would cover their ears and just preach at your louder. If its like aliens or something… people are just easily persuaded. I’m not trying to be nosey, but its explainable in some situations.
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okay, it is about science. and everything i said here was about science, and the people who believe fanatically in science..but anthrax is right, this could apply to almost anything, and that is my point.
this has been on my mind a lot lately…to me, the beliefs of science are as nebulous as the beliefs of religion..
i hope i do not have to list how they are similar, this post should say it all
And as I mentioned before it also applies to Santa… lol
what did he say that was so fanatical?
yep..but i love the replies so far…
the ppl who are hardcore about science
anyone who I have ever spoken to, who believes in science over so called faith.
whenecer i begin to point out the similarities, they simply preach louder, and refuse to hear me. so Will, I think I like your answers best:
“the fools are the ones who never question. you are not a fool”
“thats because there narrow minded ppl, who were raised to dislike people unlike them in there beliefs. ignore them “
if i say that science is faith based also, their response is, almost word for word:
“scienctific truths have been proven and documented, by repeatable tests and experiments”
when i ask have they conducted all these experiments themselves to see if it is true, they reply:
“no, hundreds of others throughout history have done the work, and documented it”
and this goes on and on
and where do the religious and the scientific both get the majority of their information?
books, written over 100’s or even 1000’s of years, and written by many authors, that procliamed to have THE knowledge. and all judged anyone in disagreement with them as fools
Are you talking about God?
I’m talking about santa :D
Oh, then idk…I suck at everything science.
Hi Brian. Does this have to do with the conversation in chat last night? People like to believe in what they believe in and don’t like to be told differently. Call it stuborn, call it ignorance, call it … whatever. It’s just the way lots of people are. There are two things I don’t like to get into discussions about and that is politics and religion. People get too upset if you question what they believe in and they don’t have the answers. or you question their answers. It’s like questioning who they are.
And Santa does exist!!!
not from last nite only..it is from an accumulation of hundreds of canvos over the last 25 years of my life..
and what you said above about religion and politics..also applies to science.
once you have been indoctrinated, it is hard to hear others question it.
Brian I don’t think any of your posts are silly… You get me thinking more than I want to sometimes and I see what you mean. We have the right to believe in what we choose to believe in and still keep an open mind. You are wise enough to know how you feel about things and not let people bother you by petty arguing. We all believe differently and it does no good to try to prove a point to some people. They have to listen to get it and we both know some refuse to do that.
yep, it’s true…but i wish there was someway to show people the whole thing from the outside..
from the outside, it is a bunch of people arguing over the price of tea in a science fiction book, if you see what i mean?
Yes I see what you mean exactly. It’s quite ridiculous. I like to stand back and not be 100% set on any belief or knowledge. Life gives me my beliefs and teaches me what’s real. I don’t understand how some are so sure of certain things and refuse to see the big picture.
Brian,
This post touches on a point that is near and dear to my heart; the question of the foundation of knowledge. Now this is a complicated topic, but the time has come to address it adequately, with uncompromising, Frondish honesty. As I was telling my Jonetta, to put forth a critique of the exact sciences is one of my purposes on this Earth, something I’ve thought about since my boyhood. I’d like to leave you with some thoughts on the matter.
Faith and “knowledge” are only two species of inner certitude, differing in their respective degrees of conscious awareness, but not varying in basic principle. No matter how technically exacting the waking consciousness becomes, the best that any creature can do is believe in the correctness of his perceptions. In this, there is no difference between Aristotle and a sparrow.
While criticism of belief may lead to knowledge, criticism of knowledge leads back to belief again, for there is no possibility of advancing one step beyond it. Foundational to any concept of truth, there must needs be a stock of intuited, unsaught, pristeen experiences given to the soul of the beholder as it’s first and most primordial possession, and indeed identical with it as soul is the reflection of world.
I wonder, if the entire corpus of scientific thought had passed over into the unconscious as stored up,technical experience, and the theories from whence it was derived were lost, would it’s character be altered thereby. If physics could be rendered as myth, and taught as easily as a nursery rhyme, what then would happen to the protestations of the rationalists? A rhetorical question . . .
but an great point. when i return, i will do my best to alter that to laymans terms, so there will not be TOO many mis-understandings, with your permission, of course.
it is elegant, but you understand?
All knowledge is subjective, and therefore based on faith, be it religion, science, or the evidence of one’s own senses. The way to cut through delusion is to trust the inner vision. Since all knowledge is subjective, cutting through to the root of that subjectivity, one’s own mind, is the path to clear vision. Unlearn what you have learned. Do not rely too heavily on the senses. The truth is within you.
Hi Brian,
I agree with Itsy Mitzy Spyder that your posts are never silly. I enjoy them and like how you make me think from a different perspective.
I try to keep an open mind, and I do listen to others beliefs. As you know, I’m not a person to argue or get into it with others. They have a right to believe as they do, and if it seems ignorant and narrow-minded to me, so be it. It is their life, not mine.
I have strong religious convictions and set high moral standards for myself in my life cuz of my belief. Yet, I got my masters in Physics which studies evolution and many scientific theories and tries to prove life from a scientific standpoint. I’m a curious person, and I wanted to learn and to see things from a scientist’s point of view.
Does this take me from my religious beliefs? No, but I see the strong convictions of a scientist and research scientist, to the point they refuse to hear any other way but their way….refuse to believe in the religious and spiritual way of creation and mankind.
Matt (The Fronde) and I talk of these things often. It all comes down to what each of us chooses to believe.
To be brief, cause i have got to go to work, i traveled thru orginized religion, and out the other side, and then thru science, and out the other side, and when i looked back at where i had just travelled, it was the same **** place.
so i say that i went thru them both, but that is not accurate, because they both are 2 paths on the same trail, going to the same place.
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