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hey, it’s my turn to lay my heart out on the table :D

p.s. there’s a short version at the bottom, if you’re lazy :p

this IS A LONG POST, sorry, but i’ve seen you guys come through brilliantly for a lot of people in the past couple days (and i’ve TRIED to keep up with you :p ), and right now I feel like I could use that too. it’s just… i don’t really know how to write about this, to someone who’s not involved. my girlfriend is all wrapped up in it too, so she knows where i’m coming from… and i can talk to her about it just fine, but it still doesn’t seem to get better :(

but let’s just make this clear: i’m not here seeking any kind of replacement for her, in ANY capacity. her name is erin, and she’s olive skinned with luxurious dark hair and the kind of eyes that you could go swimming in for days on end. (i’m sure some of you will know what i mean ;) two years ago, we were just random friends who liked to chat now and again…

actually, i was coming out of a drug dependency when i first got to know her. it wasn’t, idk, REHAB bad, but it shook me up enough, i didn’t really know what to live for anymore. the friendship she gave me helped me back into the real world… and she didn’t even know it! :D (i’ve made sure that she knows it by now)

but even then, we were still just friends. we even used to talk about our respective crushes together… it’s REALLY weird, thinking back to when we used to plot out ways for her to get close to ANOTHER guy o.O we became closer and closer friends throughout that year (my junior year in high school, her sophmore), until we were each other’s best friends. the rest… mostly just fell into place ;)

it’s interesting to note that we were having late night phone conversations, and saying “i love you” while crying - you know that whole desperate routine - BEFORE we were “going out” or anything “more than just friends.” (of course we were more than just friends by then, but would WE admit it?! hell no, we were the last ones to face the truth :p )

alright now, listen: i’m well aware that i’m young, i’m only 18, my cerebral cortex isn’t fully formed and functional yet (or whatever), that my whole life is indeed ahead of me and i have a great deal of growing left to do. i’m not arguing there. so you see, i can’t PROVE to you that erin is the love of my life, the girl i’ll be with forever, my soulmate, the one and only person i want to share my life with, the REASON i want to even have a life to share… you’re just going to have to trust me. how many of you reading this are married? think back to the moment, before you were engaged or had proposed, when you finally understood WHY two people would want to do such a thing as get married, and knew it could only be with him/her…

that’s what we have, Erin and I, and i don’t mean to brag, but she’s the best thing that any guy could ever hope for. she says the same thing to me, but i just kinda laugh and say “yeah whatever you say,” or if i’m feeling particularly good about myself i’ll say “well then, i’m glad i can give it all to you!” (yeah, go ahead and let out a huge, cheesy AWWWW now. i’ll wait.)

… needless to say, when we realized just what we had, we were… quite swept away. you know, when all the gaps in your life are filled, and it seems like all the problems are solved (p.s. they aren’t :P ), and you just want EVERYONE to know that she’s such a huge part of your life, and that you’re going to do everything you can to be a perfect part of her life… you really do seek a kind of validation from the people around you, even though it doesn’t necessarily count for much. it’s one of those odd kind of phenomena where life just seems incomplete without it. at least, it was that way with us.

you might have already guessed where all this rambling is leading. if not, then i’ll make it really obvious: ENTER ERIN’S PARENTS. her dad, especially, he’s an odd case. he decided, many years ago, that his kids would not “date” until they are 18. that’s well within his right as a parent, to not let her go out with me alone, even if it is completely un-called-for. i could really easily live with it, if that were all!

but you see, from the time erin and i started talking on the phone, he came down on her wanting to know if it was anything “romantic.” he took it to the point where, before she could ever think of sharing this huge new part of her life with her parents, he came out and said point blank, “you’re not allowed to have a relationship, not at all, not by any means, i will not allow it.”

?!?!?!?! - is about all i can say to that. i don’t understand why he couldn’t just take the time to GET TO KNOW HIS DAUGHTER… learn what kind of person she is, how mature she is, whether she’s really attached to someone or ANYTHING. he prejudged the whole situation, without trying to get to know me or us at all. in those vital few months of our relationship, he constantly bombarded her with little snipes like “it’s nothing but infatuation” and “you don’t know what love really is, you couldn’t possibly,” things like that.

ok, i’m sorry, but that last one merits a slap in the face. i’d invite you to talk to anyone that’s ever met erin - teachers, fellow students, cousins, ANYONE - and every single person will respect her for her depth and her strength of character, her genuine goodness and charm, etc. anyone who actually knows her would realize how ridiculous it is to say “you aren’t capable of truly loving someone” to her, and yet her dad was telling her this, just as our love was starting to unfold.

needless to say, this shattered her - many of the nights she stole her mom’s cell phone to call me were spent repairing the damage that she suffered during the day. an example? one night, as he was driving her home from babysitting, he sprung this: “I hope you realize that you’re breaking the Fourth Commandment. i’ve told you not to like this boy and you have no right to do so.”

i’m going to let that one speak for itself. now, what would you expect ANY human being to do in this situation? we snuck around, met at the mall and parties and anywhere we could get away with. she stole her mom’s cell phone every night to talk to me. thank God she did, because she was a wreck after her dad was done with her… and thank God she knows when to ignore it now, she even sticks up with them now when i’m being over-the-top venomous, but back then she didn’t understand why they were doing this.

neither did I really, the only explanation i could come up with was that they were self-centered and didn’t care about interfering with her life as long as it kept them comfortable. oh, not to mention messing with MY life.

you see, i’ve never really been anything to them, and that’s what brings me here tonight, begging you fine people for help. i don’t want to sound too selfish… i know that what Erin has to put up with is worse than what I have to put up with, but as I said, she’s in a much better place now, and i’m not.

let’s take it back, though, that first summer of our togetherness (i don’t really know what to call it :p ) I didn’t understand why her parents just shunned me outright, either, and i did my best to try to… idk, prove my worth to them, demonstrate that i’m a good thing for their daughter… BEG for acceptance… i don’t know why, as I’ve already said, but the utter lack of acceptance from them KILLS me.

i went over to her house a few times, once just to watch a movie and the other time to fix their computer. it seemed to go well, i talked to her dad and tried to be as nice as possible, tried to be as kind and courteous as possible… one time, they were praying their family Rosary and they even included me, it was awesome to feel like a part of the family. but then… about a month later, her dad decided that i wasn’t allowed over anymore, ever. he’d had a change of heart about letting us be near each other, i suppose… and he claimed to have never known that she liked me at the time, but that is quite simply a lie, i can guarantee that.

so, that leaves me… well, for one thing, enduring this is NOTHING if it means i get to be with the most wonderful girl in the world. don’t get me wrong - i’m not saying “this is just too much, idk if i can deal with it” because i know that i can, and i know that the alternative would be like breaking your jaw off because a tooth is aching.

it’s just… this bothers me, a lot, it’s like something that sits under my skin and never goes away. a lot of my idle time, like in the shower when my thoughts are wandering, go towards her dad… sometimes it’s just blind anger, but usually it’s all the things i’d like to say about how his positions don’t make any sense, how he’s hurting his daughter and it’s a crime that he doesn’t even try to get to know her. i channel a lot of this pain into indignation over the way she’s treated, and it works out well because i’m always there with a billion things to say when they treat her unfairly, and that makes her feel a little better, or at least a little more justified.

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (0 minutes after post)

sorry, it didn’t all fit!

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but sometimes it gets in the way of me being there for her. to speak in metaphor: when her dad slaps her in the face, she needs me to hold her, but i just shake my fist at him in blind anger. nowadays i don’t let that happen as easily, but it’s always bubbling under the surface.

so, please tell me, how can i approach this in a way that doesn’t leave me crying and screaming all at once? (the WORST time i lost control… it’s pretty embarassing, but the way her dad was jerking us around… idk, it’s a funny story if you want to hear :p ) i KNOW that they aren’t mean-spirited people, that they don’t hate me, that they’re not trying to make me miserable. intellectually, i know all of this, but that doesn’t really help.

it even makes it worse - they’re doing all of this simply through neglect, or perhaps, i don’t deserve their attention, they just don’t approve of me, etc. my parents got Erin something for christmas, and my friend Zach got something from his girlfriend’s parents at Christmas, and I sat there for a moment thinking “what did i do to not deserve that?” of course, i don’t let that kind of thought amount to anything, but i think there’s some truth in it as well.

so, there’s my problem. i don’t know where the solution is to be found, and every time erin and i talk about it, it ends with her feeling bad and crying for me, which i don’t want. i don’t want this to hurt EITHER of us, and i don’t want it to stand between us. sometimes i really HATE them, and i’m not ashamed to admit it! but later i’m ashamed that i said it, because they don’t deserve that. but… don’t *I* deserve something from them too?

so… help if you can, please :)

SHORT VERSION - my girlfriend’s parents completely reject me and act like i don’t exist, and that hurts really badly, and talking to them won’t help because they won’t hear me. so WHAT DO I DO?!?!

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hey, it’s my turn to lay my heart out on the table :D

p.s. there’s a short version at the bottom, if you’re lazy :p

this might be a long post, sorry, but i’ve seen you guys come through brilliantly for a lot of people in the past couple days (and i’ve TRIED to keep up with you :p ), and right now I feel like I could use that too. it’s just… i don’t really know how to write about this, to someone who’s not involved. my girlfriend is all wrapped up in it too, so she knows where i’m coming from… and i can talk to her about it just fine, but it still doesn’t seem to get better :(

but let’s just make this clear: i’m not here seeking any kind of replacement for her, in ANY capacity. her name is erin, and she’s olive skinned with luxurious dark hair and the kind of eyes that you could go swimming in for days on end. (i’m sure some of you will know what i mean ;) two years ago, we were just random friends who liked to chat now and again…

actually, i was coming out of a drug dependency when i first got to know her. it wasn’t, idk, REHAB bad, but it shook me up enough, i didn’t really know what to live for anymore. the friendship she gave me helped me back into the real world… and she didn’t even know it! :D (i’ve made sure that she knows it by now)

but even then, we were still just friends. we even used to talk about our respective crushes together… it’s REALLY weird, thinking back to when we used to plot out ways for her to get close to ANOTHER guy o.O we became closer and closer friends throughout that year (my junior year in high school, her sophmore), until we were each other’s best friends. the rest… mostly just fell into place ;)

it’s interesting to note that we were having late night phone conversations, and saying “i love you” while crying - you know that whole desperate routine - BEFORE we were “going out” or anything “more than just friends.” (of course we were more than just friends by then, but would WE admit it?! hell no, we were the last ones to face the truth :p )

alright now, listen: i’m well aware that i’m young, i’m only 18, my cerebral cortex isn’t fully formed and functional yet (or whatever), that my whole life is indeed ahead of me and i have a great deal of growing left to do. i’m not arguing there. so you see, i can’t PROVE to you that erin is the love of my life, the girl i’ll be with forever, my soulmate, the one and only person i want to share my life with, the REASON i want to even have a life to share… you’re just going to have to trust me. how many of you reading this are married? think back to the moment, before you were engaged or had proposed, when you finally understood WHY two people would want to do such a thing as get married, and knew it could only be with him/her…

that’s what we have, Erin and I, and i don’t mean to brag, but she’s the best thing that any guy could ever hope for. she says the same thing to me, but i just kinda laugh and say “yeah whatever you say,” or if i’m feeling particularly good about myself i’ll say “well then, i’m glad i can give it all to you!” (yeah, go ahead and let out a huge, cheesy AWWWW now. i’ll wait.)

… needless to say, when we realized just what we had, we were… quite swept away. you know, when all the gaps in your life are filled, and it seems like all the problems are solved (p.s. they aren’t :P ), and you just want EVERYONE to know that she’s such a huge part of your life, and that you’re going to do everything you can to be a perfect part of her life… you really do seek a kind of validation from the people around you, even though it doesn’t necessarily count for much. it’s one of those odd kind of phenomena where life just seems incomplete without it. at least, it was that way with us.

you might have already guessed where all this rambling is leading. if not, then i’ll make it really obvious: ENTER ERIN’S PARENTS. her dad, especially, he’s an odd case. he decided, many years ago, that his kids would not “date” until they are 18. that’s well within his right as a parent, to not let her go out with me alone, even if it is completely un-called-for. i could really easily live with it, if that were all!

but you see, from the time erin and i started talking on the phone, he came down on her wanting to know if it was anything “romantic.” he took it to the point where, before she could ever think of sharing this huge new part of her life with her parents, he came out and said point blank, “you’re not allowed to have a relationship, not at all, not by any means, i will not allow it.”

?!?!?!?! - is about all i can say to that. i don’t understand why he couldn’t just take the time to GET TO KNOW HIS DAUGHTER… learn what kind of person she is, how mature she is, whether she’s really attached to someone or ANYTHING. he prejudged the whole situation, without trying to get to know me or us at all. in those vital few months of our relationship, he constantly bombarded her with little snipes like “it’s nothing but infatuation” and “you don’t know what love really is, you couldn’t possibly,” things like that.

ok, i’m sorry, but that last one merits a slap in the face. i’d invite you to talk to anyone that’s ever met erin - teachers, fellow students, cousins, ANYONE - and every single person will respect her for her depth and her strength of character, her genuine goodness and charm, etc. anyone who actually knows her would realize how ridiculous it is to say “you aren’t capable of truly loving someone” to her, and yet her dad was telling her this, just as our love was starting to unfold.

needless to say, this shattered her - many of the nights she stole her mom’s cell phone to call me were spent repairing the damage that she suffered during the day. an example? one night, as he was driving her home from babysitting, he sprung this: “I hope you realize that you’re breaking the Fourth Commandment. i’ve told you not to like this boy and you have no right to do so.”

i’m going to let that one speak for itself. now, what would you expect ANY human being to do in this situation? we snuck around, met at the mall and parties and anywhere we could get away with. she stole her mom’s cell phone every night to talk to me. thank God she did, because she was a wreck after her dad was done with her… and thank God she knows when to ignore it now, she even sticks up with them now when i’m being over-the-top venomous, but back then she didn’t understand why they were doing this.

neither did I really, the only explanation i could come up with was that they were self-centered and didn’t care about interfering with her life as long as it kept them comfortable. oh, not to mention messing with MY life.

you see, i’ve never really been anything to them, and that’s what brings me here tonight, begging you fine people for help. i don’t want to sound too selfish… i know that what Erin has to put up with is worse than what I have to put up with, but as I said, she’s in a much better place now, and i’m not.

let’s take it back, though, that first summer of our togetherness (i don’t really know what to call it :p ) I didn’t understand why her parents just shunned me outright, either, and i did my best to try to… idk, prove my worth to them, demonstrate that i’m a good thing for their daughter… BEG for acceptance… i don’t know why, as I’ve already said, but the utter lack of acceptance from them KILLS me.

i went over to her house a few times, once just to watch a movie and the other time to fix their computer. it seemed to go well, i talked to her dad and tried to be as nice as possible, tried to be as kind and courteous as possible… one time, they were praying their family Rosary and they even included me, it was awesome to feel like a part of the family. but then… about a month later, her dad decided that i wasn’t allowed over anymore, ever. he’d had a change of heart about letting us be near each other, i suppose… and he claimed to have never known that she liked me at the time, but that is quite simply a lie, i can guarantee that.

so, that leaves me… well, for one thing, enduring this is NOTHING if it means i get to be with the most wonderful girl in the world. don’t get me wrong - i’m not saying “this is just too much, idk if i can deal with it” because i know that i can, and i know that the alternative would be like breaking your jaw off because a tooth is aching.

it’s just… this bothers me, a lot, it’s like something that sits under my skin and never goes away. a lot of my idle time, like in the shower when my thoughts are wandering, go towards her dad… sometimes it’s just blind anger, but usually it’s all the things i’d like to say about how his positions don’t make any sense, how he’s hurting his daughter and it’s a crime that he doesn’t even try to get to know her. i channel a lot of this pain into indignation over the way she’s treated, and it works out well because i’m always there with a billion things to say when they treat her unfairly, and that makes her feel a little better, or at least a little more justified.

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (23 minutes after post)

you’re right, it never will keep us apart :)

i don’t want her to be cut off from her parents, though, so i don’t push it like that. in fact, if she didn’t invite her parents to the wedding, i’d beg her to reconcider.

(i’m not judging you at all, though, different situations and all :)

but thanks… it does hurt us both, but i think something like, “if i could learn how to deal with it, i would have to bring it up with her, so it wouldn’t hurt her as much and i could get along better too”…

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (23 minutes after post)

p.s. thanks for reading through all of that :D

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (24 minutes after post)

Wow…this guy sounds really strict. But the fact that this problem bothers you shows that you care about family. I think that is really important. I think that is important for Erin’s sake. Family is something that is difficult to get away from. I have a friend who’s been married 25 years and the whole time has had problems with the in-laws (they got married at 19, btw). I think that you should face up to her dad. Say that you would like to get to know him and him to know you. You care about his daughter, enough to jump through as many hoops as it takes to get on his good side. (think of “meet the parents”) I’m sure that you can come up with some good dialogue. She should be 18 soon right? That’s when you do it. Reassure him that you’re not going to go away, with or without his approval. It’s possible that you might have to live a life together with a strained relationship with her parents. It’s also possible that he’s just being protective of his daughter. Fathers have a tendency to do that. :-D

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (32 minutes after post)

oh, i know. supposedly, when she turns 18, all this will go away. and they’ll want to get to know me? trouble is, i’ll probably feel so hurt that i won’t want to get to know them :(

so i’m hoping and praying that i can learn to deal with it by then, by the time that they’re ready to pretend like they didn’t put me through anything at all for two years. (see the bitterness already, don’t you? :p )

…what do i do?

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 13 minutes after post)

Wow, and I thought my dad was bad in trying to “protect me”. Well you are very right and same with some of the other posters, the way you two feel about eachother is undeniable and even something as hard as this getting in the way isn’t limiting your feelings for one another. This whole 18 buisness? Like you said alright easy enough to live with but then things like the phone and you not coming over is a little muc. and good for you for acting completly normal and nice when you did go over but you’re right once she’s 18 and they want to get to know you..i hope this happens soon cuz their doing a **** good job at trying to drive you away. As hard as it is i think it might be a good idea to talk to erin’s dad, theres got to be something more to it than just not wanting her to be in a relationship, maybe a past experience or even just wanting her to not have focus drawn away on school or something, still you deserve to be acknowledged as an important part of his daughter’s whom he loves so much life. My dad is a pretty stict guy, ive grown up in a religious catholic setting all my life and he has been a narcotics cop for 35 years. i get the lectures alot about everythinghes seen and how its not me hes worried about its the other people. My ex was soo scared of my dad, just because hes “the dad” haha buut also my dad didnt take crap and my bf pulled alot of it haha but back to you, you are doing abslutely everything in being accomadating towads erins family and it must be so hard for her too seeing that its those she loves are putting this upon another who she loves too

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 20 minutes after post)

Take a deep breath and realize that one of the most difficult, but necessary, things to do is to accept things as they are. Though, I’m certain it would be gratifying to pummel him with elaborate explanations regarding what he, Erin’s Father, is doing wrong, you simply can’t. People stumble upon their own lessons and in their own time. Intervention, particularly strenuous intervention, fails at being effective–most of the time. It’s difficult to speak in absolutes.
I’m going to venture a guess that Erin is his first daughter and he certainly appears to be employing a rigid and traditional method of raising her. I doubt that he will employ the same method if he raises any other children in their teens. People learn–tragically the most common method of non-academic learning is by being wrong. However, it’s an active part of the human condition.
That isn’t my point, but let me see if I can stumble closer to it: A child/parent relationship is a strong, deeply-rooted, and historic bond to which there is no equal. It’s better to accept it and be supportive of the consequences of it, than to, more or less, get in the way of it. Again, abusive situations notwithstanding.
It appears, by your writing, that she’s adapted, somewhat, and is coping. As well, it appears to me that you’re playing a vital role in that adaptation. Rejoice in that reality and feel happy about it. Her Father has been himself for a longer period than you’ve been yourself. Though that sounds like an empty statement, it truly isn’t. He is what he is and you are what you are. That is the most difficult thing to embrace, I guess. Ultimately, the things that drive us batty are the things we have challenges accepting. And, I guess, that’s my point.

Make any sense?

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 20 minutes after post)

oh there is some kind of past experience that’s making her dad crazy… the thing is, she bends over backwards to talk it through with him, and he remains very very obstinate. and trust me, nothing good would come of trying to talk to him now… i’m not the kind of guy to run away from a confrontation like that, but sometimes you can just tell.

ohh, btw, erin got straight a’s all last year (we’re at a VERY CHALLENGING high school… well, i was and she still is) and was one of three students on highest honor roll. so schoolwork can’t be his excuse :p

but thanks for making me stop and think about where he’s coming from :) it just so happens that the whole lot of us are catholic, too (except for my parents… that’s kinda bizarre, actually). and we know a good thing when we see it, so erin and i are dedicated to pulling off the whole marriage thing properly ;)

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Greenwich, CT, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 22 minutes after post)

Don’t take it personally (I know it is hard not to but. . . ) it has nothing to do with the person you are or your character. All they are trying to do (in a dysfunctional way) is protect their daughter. I’ll give you a personal example: My mom loved a friend of mine until she found out he liked and wanted to date me. Then she started to criticize everything and anything about him, my sister even joined the crusade. Guess what? I still dated him for almost 3 years. Mind you I was already in college so it was easier for me than it is (at this time) for you guys to date each other. The relationship ended but not due to my mother’s (or sister’s) opinion. So don’t read too much into it. Be there for Erin as you have been doing so. Don’t criticize, argue, confront, etc. the parents and try to avoid situations that might create havoc for her.
Other than that I can only wish you both my best wishes in your relationship and future together!!!

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 22 minutes after post)

I read your whole post but didn’t really read the replies.
Good luck m8.

Love is one of those things that just keeps us going. That’s all I think about reading stuff like this. I’m in love too, insomuch, that I’d walk life like I walk on a wire or on fiery ground.

Keep going!

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 25 minutes after post)

ab… yeah you make perfect sense :D that’s exactly what i say to myself when i’m at my best, thanks for reminding me, you’re absolutely correct.

btw, erin is the second daughter, but the first is joining opus dei so she never gave him this kind of challenge :p

and to everyone else… hey, you’re all saying what i needed to hear, thanks a lot :D i feel a lot better about it already, you guys are good 8)

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not el Trent offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (1 hour, 26 minutes after post)

oh, and thanks to everyone for taking the time to read through that whole thing o.O i really do appreciate it :)

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Spokane, WA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (2 hours, 4 minutes after post)

Actually, I didn’t love my wife when we first got married. I got her pregnant and decided I was going to raise my child. She was obsessed with me though so I figured it would be fine, and after 15 years I love her so much. It’s funny how you can grow to love someone ~smiles~.

She must not like him. Who would like someone that belittles one’s intelligence and tells them they don’t know what they are feeling? Granted you are young but I loved when I was young!

Respect is earned and her father is obviously an irrational tyrant! Commandments only work if you believe in the Bible, if not they are meaningless ~chuckles~.

You first mistake was pulling an Eddie Haskell with her father, but then again probably nothing would work ~chuckles~.

It’s been my experience that the more a parents try and push a certain person away from their child. The stronger that relationship becomes, so basically he is a dumbass ~chuckles~ because everything he does is sabotaging his intentions.

I learned along time ago to let my kids experiment and then they usually figure it out for themselves, but I tell them no forcefully, then my authority will only cause rebellion ~smiles~.

I don’t know how old she is but when she is 18 she can do whatever she wants ~smiles~. Unless he uses the “under my roof” ahole law ~snickers~.

You just keep doing what you doing and ask your love how she wants to play this out. This way you don’t get her in trouble without her consent.

When my wife and I got married 15 years ago they said it would never last because she was a country Christian girl and I was a Satanic Heavy Metalist. They said our yokes didn’t match up and our relationship was doomed. They tried to tell her she couldn’t see me and that it was forbidden to love my kind ~grins~. Well we are more in love today than we have ever been ~smiles~. It was he father that pushed her towards me and away from him. He stabbed himself in the foot! ~grins~.

The ironic thing is her brother (great guy) married this other woman and they were both Christians and they only lasted 6 years. You can be **** sure I mentioned that one at the old Xmas gathering ~snickers~. Not to begrudge my Bro in law, but to prove a point that her dad doesn’t know jack **** and is not psychic that can tell the future.

Some people act like that cause they are afraid their daughters will tell their boyfriends some ugly truth that only the two of them know, but I doubt this is the case. They guy just sounds like an overbearing ahole with little compassion for young infatuation/love ~smiles~.

I hope this gets resolved and you guys are happy forever just to prove them wrong ~grins~.

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (2 hours, 17 minutes after post)

Wow El Trent, first of all let me state my shock that you are 18. I have been reading your posts for a while and I thought you were about 30.

My advice would depend on what it is that you want. If you want to be included into the family and respected by her father then I would respect his wishes and let things slow down a click or two.

How old is Erin and when does she turn 18?

If gaining the father’s respect (he really does not sound like a nice man) is not your main goal, then support Erin as much as you can letting her know that you can wait until she has more freedom. Be grateful for the time she gives you and the time you are allowed.

Most of this depends on how long you have to wait…a few months? A year?

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not el Trent offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (13 hours, 18 minutes after post)

well shucks… i remember, in 7th grade, people used to ask me if my parents were writing my papers for me o.O it just comes naturally i guess :D

erin turns 18 on march 1st, i should start a countdown on one of those countdown sites :p but it’s only a few months from now, so it shouldn’t be that bad

and when it comes, i do think i’ll be ready just to brush it all off and start to get to know the parents… especially if i keep in mind what everyone said here :D seriously, thanks to everyone for keeping me away from the whole introverted-grumpy-unforgiving thing o.O :)

i kinda *have to* let things slow down a bit, you know, they don’t leave me with many options :p but there are a few little things i can do to force my character into the situation… when i start at college, i’m going to send erin a short letter every day of the year until next summer :D

and btw, occult, that’s exactly what we’ve been saying ourselves, for so long… “yeah when they’re at our wedding we’re so going to be like ‘OHH WE TOLD YOU SO, DIDN’T WE, HAHAHAHAHAHA’” :D

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (13 hours, 49 minutes after post)

Wow, she is a pieces (so am I, March 2) She must be wonderful. That is not long of a wait when you have the rest of your lives.

Treasure each moment and not press for more.

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not el Trent offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (14 hours, 53 minutes after post)

she must be wonderful because she’s so much like you?? :p

but yeah, she is :D and that’s sound advice, as usual, as always, you know ;)

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (14 hours, 56 minutes after post)

LMAO I spelled pisces wrong…

You betcha she must be wonderful…we are very emotional and creative people :)

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (14 hours, 58 minutes after post)

“…we are FRIGHTENINGLY emotional and creative people :)”

i fixed that for you :p

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (16 hours, 3 minutes after post)

What do you mean by that!!!!!!!

Just kidding, I was being emotional ;-p

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (2 days, 1 hour after post)

hey trent, jus finished readin ur post,,, as i said to u before, i think, i had the same prob with my guy’s parents - he met my parents and i told them bout him, he was even goin to stay down in my town over the holidays with my family, and we planned holidays abroad together - BUT THE PROB WAS he never told his parents bout me so they never knew how much i loved him or what i did for him,,
when they did find out that i was his girlfriend, they came down on him with the “big talk” and started to call him up from rarely to alot, and pressured him into finding the nearest church to attend every week,,, he obliged to all their requests, but i think it got too much for him in the end - the bottom line is i wasnt christian/black/nigerian:what they wanted for their son,,,
he “loved” me for as long as he could i suppose, then i think he started seeing me how his parent saw me,, not good enough for him (despite all my best efforts)..
maybe im wrong, maybe it wasnt all because his parents didnt like me that he left me, but i can tell u they put the strain on our relationship and made me so insecure…

what im tryin to say here is its not gonna be easy to break thru that parent thing because its so steeped in religion,,, just be thankful that erin loves u and is “defying” them to be with u,, u have done nothing wrong, its them and their prejudices to judge u before theyve properly met u,,, i do hope u have better luck than me, but i think erin is stonger than the ore i fell for..

type back to me m8,, iv not slept now for 3 days tho iv goddamn tried hard enough x

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 4 months ago (2 days, 1 hour after post)

ps thought u were older than ur age,, uv got wisdom way beyond ur years,, i feel like a kid and im 3 yrs older than u..

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Fallbrook, CA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (2 days, 18 hours after post)

ok…..i read the short verson…..ask ur gf to ask her parents, or confront her parents of what u need to change to be accepted in their prespective

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Gibsonia, PA, US | 2 years, 4 months ago (2 days, 19 hours after post)

ohh, maybe i should close the post o.O

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