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Here’s a rant for you all.

Part two!

I’ve gone off on these homework posts before, ( http://help.com/post/69058-i-have-a-r... ) and I’m sure most of you know how annoying they are. Now, I have nothing against helping people find the answer, but GIVING it to them? Last I checked, that’s cheating, and cheating sucks.

“Oh, but what’s the big deal? It’s not like it matters, they’re just kids!”

Bullsh*t. They need to figure it out on their own, or they’ll never learn. You wouldn’t tell a medical student the answers to a test, and then go to that doctor, would you? If they don’t know the answer, they’re not going to be a very good doctor, are they? Would you want a lawyer defending you in a case if that lawyer cheated to pass the bar exam? No, I didn’t think so!

“But that’s not the same, those are professions, these kids are just in school!”

Even worse that they’re cheating! A weak foundation leads to a weak structure. No matter how hard you work on the top, if you slacked at the bottom, the result is obvious. College is training for a career, school below that is training for being an intelligent human being. It doesn’t take a Masers Degree in Logic to see where I’m going with this.

You really want to help these kids? REFUSE TO LET THEM CHEAT! You may think you’re helping them by giving them the answers, but you’re not! You’re hurting them by allowing them to remain stupid.

Yours, as always,
Xeno Dragon

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rebel101 offline Verified User (2 years, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 16 #
US | 2 years, 2 months ago (2 minutes after post)

yep you are right it is cheating…
help is good but not giving them the answers….

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Ballinteer, 07, IE | 2 years, 2 months ago (8 minutes after post)

You ever cheat on an exam Xeno? Cos I sure as **** have… But I get your point

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Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 81 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (12 minutes after post)

Actually, no. I cheated on my homework once in middle school, and I failed the test later that week. I didn’t need any more reason than that to quit cheating.

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Times' gone mad offline Verified User (2 years, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
Silver Spring, MD, US | 2 years, 2 months ago (17 minutes after post)

Generally I tell people to go to Google or wiki.

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Ballinteer, 07, IE | 2 years, 2 months ago (18 minutes after post)

lol, I inevented new was to cheat, I was a mess back then though and of course regret taking that attitude. I was however in a Christian Brothers school so I didn’t believe a word said to me and fought themt every turn… and I won! haha ;p

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forsakentenshi offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 3 #
BD | 2 years, 2 months ago (48 minutes after post)

You are right about the cheating!

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PJz198 offline Verified User (2 years, 3 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (55 minutes after post)

I agree with you, Xeno. It’s for their own good for them to figure out the problems for themselves. It’ll give them a sence of accomplishment when they’ve finished andt that’s good for their self esteem and confidence. Plus, they’ll be able to pass the exams without having to cheat again.

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Excessor1 offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (58 minutes after post)

You are Very right! My freind and I use to cheat together in Freshman math in High School. I still have trouble with some of the most basic crap because I didnt learn it right the first time. But atleast I’ve learned my lesson…

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OccultPizz offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 2 #
Spokane, WA, US | 2 years, 2 months ago (1 hour, 4 minutes after post)

Yeah, it really is lazines and a lack of ambition and integrity. ~smiles~

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Times' gone mad offline Verified User (2 years, 6 months) Long Term User Shouts: 6 #
Silver Spring, MD, US | 2 years, 2 months ago (1 hour, 6 minutes after post)

I really cant’ handle the people who ask where they can find information on countries or individuals. I mean come on—Google it, not difficult, and read something…it drives me crazy. Or when they get mad because people aren’t answering them and “this report is due tomorrow…” shouldn’t have procrastinated so much.

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An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (2 hours, 1 minute after post)

Yep, I agree on this one as per usual lol
For another rant check this post out , another thing hated as posts lol

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AnishK offline Verified User (2 years, 4 months) Long Term User Shouts: 45 #
US | 2 years, 2 months ago (5 hours, 44 minutes after post)

Good answer! Da mn those cheaters!

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An Unknown Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (6 hours, 19 minutes after post)

i couldn’t agree more, in fact i was thinking about posting a similar rant.

very nicely said xeno

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Longwood, FL, US | 2 years, 2 months ago (9 hours, 1 minute after post)

i recall i asked for help on a quiz i got a bad grade on a year ago. i needed something to do then.

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molotok offline Verified User (3 years, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 37 #
Gävle, 03, SE | 2 years, 2 months ago (2 days, 3 hours after post)

Well, I think you may exaggerate this. What is cheating?
Reading about a person on Google?
Then what about reading about the same person in a book? Is that also cheating? What is the difference?

Now, if I try to recall what I remember from school… actually it is the odd stuff, especially things I did not HAVE to learn. Maybe some curiousity, told by the teacher as some “by the way, blabla…”.

But the stuff I really LEARNED, is most often not possible to pinpoint as having learnt here or there, or during a special year. It is just there, accumulated and refined through the years. And I do believe that I know fairly much about fairly many things… and I continue to learn a lot, through internet, by reading, by asking friends and so on… …except about sports, hehe.

I would say that if somebody has difficulties with reading before a test in books, and asks for help on ‘Help’, chances are that the somebody will be made to understand things that he or she wouldn’t manage otherways. Should it be something “odd” or unusual by it, chances are that the learnings would be remembered longer, too!

But showing them where to find it….? Well, I see it like this: Somebody needs to learn something about a subject, e.g. medicine. Shall I, or shall I not, tell the way to the library?

Cheating is when hiding a slip with info during a test, repeating what it says without even knowing it. But there are different ways of gaining information ahead of a test, internet/friends/books/movies/conclusive thinking are just various ways. We are just not similar in our conceptual abilities.

A request for school help often results in a discussion about the topic, probably more useful than a teacher’s preaching.

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Xeno Dragon offline Verified User (2 years, 7 months) Long Term User Shouts: 81 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (2 days, 3 hours after post)

I don’t think you understand what I’m saying, Molotok. I have a problem when people do the homework for these kids by giving them the answers, writing something for them, or giving them a link directly to the information. The kids need to figure the answers out for themselves, they need to write their own papers, and they need to learn how to search the internet.

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molotok offline Verified User (3 years, 5 months) Long Term User Shouts: 37 #
Gävle, 03, SE | 2 years, 2 months ago (2 days, 4 hours after post)

I think you are right, because I did not follow your link. I guess I agree. But I haven’t seen those posts. I was thinking of cases where people tried but in vain, or wanted in-depth discussions.

Or when not even understanding the question, like I believe this post:
http://help.com/post/98171-whats-the-…

I think the post was OK, and so was the answer. And I learned something by it, too.

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GDromag offline Verified User (2 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 0 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (5 days, 18 hours after post)

I can definitely agree. The most important part of pre-college education, in my opinion, is to teach you how to learn and how to think logically. When you give kids the answer, you’re taking away that, and forfeiting their education to just ‘learning facts’.

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melah offline Verified User (2 years, 2 months) Long Term User Shouts: 1 #
An Undisclosed Location | 2 years, 2 months ago (2 weeks, 5 days after post)

I agree with you.
and you look like my cousin!

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