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No. Simply because it requires faith, and… well, you all know my story in that regard.
lol, when i first saw this post i thought it said “do u believe in farts?”
i think i must be seeing things!
If fates not true…then nobody is “meant” to do anything or “meant” to be with any one person or “meant” to be in the right place at the right time.
That’s right. And if it is real, is everything fated to happen, or just some things? And which things are which?
You’re surely an angel to put that stuff in front of me
Your smile and your secret takes me to the higher point of fate
yes, very. So, if fate was real would that mean our whole lives are planned out for us?
well i do an dont i do cuz im with my man i dont cuz my granpa died
No. Fate implies an inherent lack of free will, and I prefer to think that I have control over my own life and actions. Fate also requires faith, something I lack.
Yes… I believe in fate or destiney… it is our default map which we choose before we are born. It is the path we walk if we choose to let the universe alone take us for a ride. However, there are many paths… many fates or destiney’s, and we are free to choose another path along the way. If you make no choices… your life does not end… it goes to where you are fated to go… it’s not always a pretty picture; rarely as a matter of fact.
bright blessings~
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no, i believe we all define what we do, what happens, what our “fate” is by our decisions and choices.
It is impossible to know. You can only believe. Fate is a personal choice, however weird that may sound.
I don’t believe in fate because of our own free will… with every decision there is a choice and each choice leads to a different result, and we control and direct or choices to achieve a particular result, and Fate means that no matter what you do or decide the end result is going to be the same(There are no accidents), so my question would be if Fate exists why do we have contemplate our decisions? and if you believe in Karma then wouldn’t Fate and Karma Contradict each other? And if you believe in God, then what is the point of refraining from sin cause there is nothing you can do cause Fate would decide all….
Maybe too deep… But its a thought!
It is a great literary thing in many myths. I think sometimes we have to assume that we have manifest destiny, but that we can’t truly know. Other times it suits us not to believe in it. It is universal in almost all mythology.
Point of Interest, I recall a story where the worst thing that could ever happen to you would be to be shown your fate, because then nothing would ever be interesting.
In the matrix, neo struggles with whether he is predestined to be a savior or if he has free will regarding the matter.
oh yes, definatly… fate and destiny…
i met this girl 18 years ago,her name was Sharon,we had some good times an laughs, but the thing was, she was part of the fair, and wintered in my town each year, and she was forbiden to see “joskins” (outsiders)… i was warned away from her by her family (and several beatings)….. our love was never to be…
but fate had another idea…
we bumped into each other again March last year,and we now have a beautiful daughter, and we are both convinced it was fate that brought us together…
there are only three things that are contininous… faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.
luis.torresjr wrote:
there are only three things that are contininous… faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.
I am curious how you know this. If love is continuous how come people get divorced? Doesn’t that and all the horrible ways people who love each other split up and get better disprove that love is not continuous? People are constantly losing faith and hope too. Some regain it, but that still makes it non-continuous.
Do you just mean that these things are always possible? Is the mere possibility of the presence the equivalence of the presence itself to you?
I am just asking for my own understanding, such that maybe I will one day have faith if there is sufficient evidence.
I have no faith, I’m agnostic.
I don’t bother hoping for anything, really. Why bother when I can just make it happen under my own power?
And I’ve never felt love, just lust and minor to moderate infatuation.
So what about me, luis?
betta wrote:
luis.torresjr wrote:
there are only three things that are contininous… faith, hope, and love. And the greatest of these is love.
I am curious how you know this. If love is continuous how come people get divorced? Doesn’t that and all the horrible ways people who love each other split up and get better disprove that love is not continuous? People are constantly losing faith and hope too. Some regain it, but that still makes it non-continuous.
Do you just mean that these things are always possible? Is the mere possibility of the presence the equivalence of the presence itself to you?
I am just asking for my own understanding, such that maybe I will one day have faith if there is sufficient evidence.
It is in the bible. To answer your question about divorce in my words and not God’s, God is love and so thats how love should be reflected. When you try and make love something it is not then surely it will fail. God lets you decide freely, God lets you defer right from wrong. It is as simple as WWJD? If you do not treat your spouse in the way the the almighty Lord would, you are not only overstepping God but harming your relationship too. Gos is love is in the bible . The rest I can not say God said because I couldnt open the bible and read it out to you. I just believe that God speaks thru us. If you would like the bible scriptures, simply send me a shout! :D
people never lose faith and hope, they just say they do. think about it long and hard. you never ever stop having faith and hope. you simply let events and actions overwhelm you.
Sorry, but I’m living proof that you’re wrong there, luis.
God is love so love is continuous to elaborate further
xeno you simply need to opens yours eyes wider. dont close them, the world is not as dark as perceived
Who said anything about it being dark? I’m perfectly happy, with few exceptions. And don’t insult me by suggesting I don’t know what I’m talking about, please. I know religion backwards and forwards.
look there is a lot of things that can be misconstrued. i am not the die hard christian i may sound like. If you live to please God then that is enough. You are the one that is going to present your case to the Lord. Not all those bible thumpers
im sorry if i insulted you in any way
Well, I’m agnostic, so I don’t live for or against any gods. I am not exaggerating when I say I have no faith. I require proof.
i gotcha man. im not here to beat religion down your neck. im just here to spread positiveness
Xeno, isn’t being agnostic (being open to the possibility of God) hope?
Luis, I was not expecting a religious answer, though I should have because that faith hope and love thing are supposed to be the 3 heavenly virtues, the opposite end of the coin to the seven deadly sins. Anyway, I think your epistemology is flawed. If I am to believe that “love is eternal”, I need to see it, not read it. The scriptures instill no more confidence in me than you writing it. You need to give an example of something concrete.
betta when i do ill hit u up. looks like i made a new help.com friend :P
by the way it just could be flawed like u said. heres a thought, if God is willing to speak thru us, then do we not have to contain his great love within us somewhere, in some shape or form. id need to research it more but if that is the case. he proves it to us everyday in my opinion.
I’m not so much against the idea of a god as against the way that god is given credit for everything great, and man gets credit for everything rotten. If we merely contain god’s love, then what of our own?
its not that its his that is the issue. its more like he is but how can love spread w/o us. we do get credit because God created us to do great things, but to honor him because it is thru him that all things are possible. He gave us the seed to start us off. How we grow is reflective on our decisions and others decisions.
betta wrote:
Xeno, isn’t being agnostic (being open to the possibility of God) hope?
No. It’s no different that being open to any possibility. I don’t attatch any positive or negative emotion to the possibility, it’s just neutral. Hope is when you want something to be real. I don’t care, I just want to know the truth.
truth is reality is it not, pretty close if not straight up synonyms.
Yeah, it is. I don’t CARE what the truth is, I just want to KNOW what it is.
to want to know what it is means you long to know what it is and if you long for something you have some faith its out there and in turn some hope because of the fact you want it. its pretty clear your making thing seem all cloudy and not as simple as it can be. but on the other hand you keep giving me something to write about. i just hope you find what your looking for soon.
You’re missing the point. I’m not looking for anything in particular. I don’t want any religion to be right over others, I just want to know which, if any, is telling the truth. For all I care, there could be no gods, and we’re all just going to rot when we die, I don’t care. All I want is proof.
well ppl have been looking for the “truth” for ages. i dont think its worth wasting time on. so many better things you could be doing. like flossing. lol im a dork.
Well, if searching for answers, if learning, is a waste of time, then I’m happily going to waste all of my time until I figure it out, thanks.
the search for truth is what has created so many religions and has made me somewhat hypocritical about religion. i just think the bible is a good set of morals to live by imo. to live to be perfect like jesus tho i dont think is worth it when it is not possible is not just worth it. lol i didnt say learning isnt worth it. i just think unsolving mysteries of how life works is not worth it. its the only study that has never progressed and created more religions constantly.
Religions are simply what people believe. I have studdied many of them, and doubt that they are correct. However, until I see proof to the contrary, they are possibilities, however unlikely I might find them.
what is the base religion for ppl that believe in there being a meaning of life such as me and yourself.
Who said I believed that? I’m agnostic, by deffinition, I have no beliefs.
There is no base religion…we are all born atheists until indoctrinated in one way or another by our parents or environment.
I think we’re all born ignostics, as we’d never heard of the concept before, and lack the ability to comprehend much. Thus it’s nonsensical to us. But that’s just splitting hairs, I know.
Yeah, nitpicking…you could also say that you aren’t born an agnostic since you’d need to know of the concept of god in order to establish a position that a god cannot be known, if you are That type of agnostic. :)
Well, agnosticism doesn’t apply to that age, really, as you have no choice but to believe what your told when you know nothing to begin with.
Xeno Dragon wrote:
Yeah, it is. I don’t CARE what the truth is, I just want to KNOW what it is.
I hope that the truth is not that Islam is the one true religion. Then we’d all be forked. You know how many times it says that anyone who doubts or disbelieves is going to hell?
Anyway, the possibility of any religion being true is pretty laughable to me. Some are just a little more laughable than others.
Most religions have that rule. You’re chosen one out of thousands, and if you’re wrong, you’ll burn in the Hell equivalent of whatever religion was right. The Cosmic Lottery, I like to call it.
Sounds like an empty threat and petty insecurity to me, but I’m not so sure about every religion having that. Christianity and Islam threaten that non-believers go to hell, and most of the various offshoots of christianity.
Other religions have hells, but none that I can think of where you go to hell if you aren’t a member of the religion.
I know religions, and yes, most of them do. Many are smaller religions, but they still count.
wicca - no
buddhism - no
shinto - no
hindu - no
just about every ancient european paganism - no
satanism - no
Judaism - no
Scientology - no
rastafarianism - probably, I haven’t checked, but its an offshoot of christianity anyway.
shamanism(wherever it is found) - no
Santeria - no
Some of these religions such as buddhism have hell, but not being of the religion doesn’t guarantee you go there.
There are thousands more than that, you realize. The tribal religions tend to be along the lines of ‘please the deities or suffer.’ You’re right that many of the larger religions don’t make direct reference to this. The sects of them that include this are simply due to interpretation. However, it still stands that most religions do include this rule in one form or another.
Why so argumentative on this point, Betta?
gawd will this thread ever end? *sighs*
Xeno Dragon wrote:
There are thousands more than that, you realize. The tribal religions tend to be along the lines of ‘please the deities or suffer.’ You’re right that many of the larger religions don’t make direct reference to this. The sects of them that include this are simply due to interpretation. However, it still stands that most religions do include this rule in one form or another.
Why so argumentative on this point, Betta?
Because I have heard a number of times people making assertions about “all religions” or “most religions” when they are only talking about christianity and assuming that all other religions are the same in almost every way. For example, assuming that all other religions want to prostheletize, assuming all other religions claim to be “the one true path”, assuming all other religions make the hell threat for not being a member, assuming all other religions require adherents to go by a strict moral code. Assuming that the 10 commandments are universal (You shall have no other gods before me!). This generally stems from ignorance. I find these people tend to define religion in general as having the qualiies of Abrahamic religion.
Maybe I’m just argumentative by nature. I see things and dissect them and I am very specific. Its nothing personal. Partly why I chose the Siamese fighting fish though.
Well, just for future reference, when I talk about religion, I either know what I’m talking about, or I admit that I haven’t learned about it yet. And no worries, I don’t take it personally, it’s all good.
Hey, nothing personal, but there are only 2 religions that I am aware of that have that rule. I hate being told “trust me, I know what I’m talking about.” I am a skeptic, and its not that I don’t have faith in you, I don’t have faith in anybody who I don’t know to be an authority. And if someone who I knew to be a religion expert (or expert on anything) were to tell me something so contradictory to my experience so far, I would ask them for examples. For my curiousity, “small religions” just doesn’t satisfy.
Well, you can ask just about any of the other site veterans if you doubt that I know what I’m talking about. Look it up, if you my word isn’t good enough, that’s what I did to find out. It’s good that you question, it means you’re not going to fall for anything if someone ever does lie to you.
I’ve read plenty about hell. Lots of religions have them. Only 2 say its a punishment for not being a member of their religion (Xtianity and Islam). Unless your counting all the various offshoots of xtianity.
As far as looking it up, I either find information confirming what you have said or I don’t. I have not found anything confirming what you said. Where am I supposed to look it up in anyway? The encyclopedia of hell?
Yes, I believe in fate. Well not so much as “fate” as much as everything happens for a reason. Not fate but a “plan” that God has made for all of us.
It’s worded differently, of course. Having other gods, having other gods before the one in question, believing in alternate faiths, not behaving according to the rules of the religion, etc. It’s simply that wherever any two religions don’t overlap, many times they contradict, or have rules that don’t coincide with other faiths, and to follow one means to disobey another. It’s not a penalty for believing differently in all cases, it’s a penalty for not following their rules, which you wouldn’t feel the need to do if you weren’t of that religion, of course. I think we had our vocabulary mixed up, and were referring to two different things. My mistake, I’m sure.
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