[Help] Pakistani/Indian origin of World War III - hear my ideas; what do you think Updates to this post /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa Sun, 06 Dec 2009 18:58:42 +0100 Reply from oysterman1 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5158227 Very well thought out and I hope you are wrong but it may not mater at all until we wait and see if Planet X destroys us, are bruises us or just bothers us

Meantime everyone should check out your own biases and be sure you are not part of the problem. also work to overthrow bad leaders by legal means. It is really the people who profit from war and a lavish lifestyle that don’t want peace.

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oysterman1 Tue, 28 Jul 2009 16:39:32 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5082725 I’m not going to pretend to know the future, and I’m not going to say that any one country is going to do any certain thing, but you have to remember that the planet has never known a minute without war since humans began developing tribes and cities and nations. India and Pakistan are fighting each other, Israel and Palestine are trying to kill each other, Russia attacked Georgia a little while ago, Cuba is still down there being a problem, the whole of Africa’s always been at war with itself, and China and North Korea seem to hate everyone. Not to mention all of the holy wars, Jihads, and Crusades. On the bright side, I hear the Northern Ireland thing has cleared up a bit.But now, the US is hearing more and more talk of secession. And not just from Texas!

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Xeno Dragon Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:30:09 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5082006 And I have to agree- Pakistan and India seem to be back to their normal level of tension now; war involving North Korea seems a lot more likely at the moment.

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Khalivarsha² Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:28:48 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5082005 spiratec, you seem to be claiming that war will not happen when it is clearly of no benefit, and that a country will not start a war if it has previously lost a similar war. It is an interesting set of opinions. I welcome you to read just about any history book, and then report back to us if you still hold those beliefs.

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Khalivarsha² Fri, 19 Jun 2009 07:26:52 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5081104 And it’s “nowhere”, not “know where” in that context. It took forever to figure out what you were saying.

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Xeno Dragon Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:46:23 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5081103 [quote spiratec9][quote Xeno Dragon]I’m thinking that if anyone is going to trigger another large war, it’ll be North Korea.[/quote]

been there done that.Korean war.They got know where in the last one and won’t get
any where again.[/quote]

Are you paying attention to what they’re doing right now? They have nukes, and they seem very eager to use them. They’re planing to fire a test missile at Hawaii sometime in early July. They keep advancing their nuclear program, ignoring all of the sanctions and peace talk offers. Even beyond nukes, they’ve still got a large chemical weapons store, and their army is massive enough to deter any sort of attack against them. It’s all over the news. Haven’t you been watching?

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Xeno Dragon Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:45:19 +0100
Reply from spiratec9 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5080723 [quote Xeno Dragon]I’m thinking that if anyone is going to trigger another large war, it’ll be North Korea.[/quote]

been there done that.Korean war.They got know where in the last one and won’t get
any where again.

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spiratec9 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:04:44 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5080350 I’m thinking that if anyone is going to trigger another large war, it’ll be North Korea.

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Xeno Dragon Thu, 18 Jun 2009 19:01:08 +0100
Reply from spiratec9 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5080238 It would only result in much pain and cannot be won by anyone.
War is obsolete.

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spiratec9 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:00:38 +0100
Reply from spiratec9 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-5080234 some countries just cannot get along.
But there is a huge difference between getting along and war.
War between India and Pakistan is unthinkable.

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spiratec9 Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:58:55 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4647266 I agree that there are people in the Western world who would want war between India and Pakistan. However, it is not the Westerners who are causing all of this. India and Pakistan have been in conflict ever since they seperated, and even when they were united it was chaos between them. Unite India? It would be nice in many ways, but how would you overcome all of the religious, political and economic differences that have caused so many conflicts?

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Khalivarsha² Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:58:54 +0100
Reply from luqmangill2 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4646435 Hi Kalivarsha.. You did a nice analysis, but what I think is that Pakistan and India is inseparable countries and should not go into war at any cost. I think the enemies are not in sub-continent but are in Middle East ans America i.e. Israel and America. Both these countries do not want Indians and Pakistanis to live in peace because now as you know that the western world is going through a financial meltdown so they need to provoke war in order to boost their economy as they did in WWII and WWI. I believe that the attacks were conducted by CIA or MOSAD for their point of interests to provoke war between two brotherly countries. THE only solution is to Unite India again… and form a union like EU or NAU..

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luqmangill2 Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:30:42 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4600852 I had hoped that the intesity of aggression that had been there immediately after the attacks would have faded by now. Getting interesting, anyhow.

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Khalivarsha² Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:46:02 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4600843 From CNN
http://cnnwire.blogs.cnn.com/

“December 14th, 2008
Sources: India prepped for attack on Pakistan
Posted: 07:45 PM ET

WASHINGTON (CNN) — The United States believes that India’s air force began preliminary preparations for a possible attack against Pakistan in the immediate aftermath of the recent massacre in Mumbai, CNN has learned.

Three Pentagon officials have individually confirmed to CNN that the United States has information indicating that India began to prepare air force personnel for a possible mission.

The officials offered very few details, but one said the India’s air force “went on alert.” This is the first publicly known indication that perhaps the two nuclear powers were closer to conflict in the days after the Mumbai attacks than previously acknowledged.

A second official said the United States concluded these preliminary preparations would have put India quickly in the position to launch airstrikes against suspected terrorist camps and targets inside Pakistan. During these preparations, a number of senior U.S. officials were urging India to exercise restraint — which apparently it did”

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Khalivarsha² Mon, 15 Dec 2008 01:44:21 +0100
Reply from chev.jame /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4560305 War is coming, because Pakistan’s nuclear scientists–90 percent of whom are sympathetic to al Qaida–will eventually funnel nuclear weapons to bin Laden. These will be used against the USA, Canada and the United Kingdom.

And those nations may have wrecked economies, but they won’t take such an attack lying down.

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chev.jame Wed, 03 Dec 2008 21:52:26 +0100
Reply from k4kieron /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559941 What will the outcome of said war be anyone want to predict? A world war with the logistics and science behind it shows we wouuld eradicate mass amounts of everything in our environment leaving our kids and kids kids with nothing but bodies and empty bombshells, possibly not even air to breath…Are the government in control and simply keeping the global economy afloat? Is this the begining of the end is that what your implying?

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k4kieron Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:49:49 +0100
Reply from k4kieron /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559916 Bombs used in wars are used because they are about to expire…Weapons are bought and built to settle economic bills. US and UK are in Trillions of debt. They will arm and disable continuously by the looks of things. the rest of the world is wise to it. Your view hits home. I think there will come a time in our life times that we all realise that that is the bleak future unless we change - now!

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k4kieron Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:43:47 +0100
Reply from Da⌐11 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559911 [quote Xeno Dragon][quote Da⌐11][quote Xeno Dragon]I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.[/quote]If there is another world war; it will most likely come up on the world slowly. War wont just brake out tomorrow because of the fear of nuclear inhalation; but a serious of small acts of one-upmanship could go farther than any one intended when it was started.[/quote]Agreed. It’ll likely be something we can see coming, if it happens. Then again, there’s a wild card. We as America is spread pretty thin right now, with our military in all corners of the globe. Not only that, but will our allies really want to back us after the way we’ve acted, if we get involved?[/quote]

America need not be spread thin if the situation called for it; it would be a simple matter to redeploy troops trying to fix up Afghanistan and Iraqi if more dire areas called for it. It would also be easy to move troops out of Korea and Europe; which are only their so that they can be mobilized in that side of the world more easily.

As for our “allies” in this hypothetical situation would easily follow us in the defense of India. The sentiments from the ever day European on the streets of Europe may be chafed with regard to the US. But their leaders are more interested in stability not to back the US and to remain natural in such a hypothetical unfolding doe to chafed feelings. Ie, when the chips are down, US-European relations aren’t as strained as people might think.

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Da⌐11 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:42:35 +0100
Reply from k4kieron /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559908 I think the war is already all over the world. This is the 3rd world war - conflict for more aka greed all around you (almost). I think that all the world needs to unite now before the earth is destroyed by the destruction of the ozone and environment by means of mass destruction.

Another series of small wars will wipe earth out - completely and quickly!!!

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k4kieron Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:41:12 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559900 I won’t be able to get as involved in this discussion as I’d like to, just so everyone knows. I have a busy day today, unfortunately. I’ll read everything, though, and try to respond.

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Xeno Dragon Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:38:39 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559881 [quote Da⌐11]Good thing the Russians blinked in Kennedy’s dangerous game of chicken.[/quote]

Much agreed.

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Khalivarsha² Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:34:48 +0100
Reply from Da⌐11 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559877 [quote Khalivarsha²]I hope so, Xeno. Then again, most people were sure that nobody would ever use a nuclear bomb for fear of the kind of war that would result, until the U.S. did it. Many people thought that everyone would be too afraid of nuclear war after WWII, but look how close we came to it under the Kennedy administration.[/quote]

When the US used Nuclear weapons on Japan most people did not realize the full implications of their use. It was not the same environment that exists now.

However your Kennedy’s missile crises is a better indication of how a World War III will ensue. A serous of small acts of one-upmanship leading to a disasters out come no one intended at the start.

Good thing the Russians blinked in Kennedy’s dangerous game of chicken.

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Da⌐11 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:34:07 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559874 [quote Da⌐11][quote Xeno Dragon]I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.[/quote]

If there is another world war; it will most likely come up on the world slowly. War wont just brake out tomorrow because of the fear of nuclear inhalation; but a serious of small acts of one-upmanship could go farther than any one intended when it was started.[/quote]

Agreed. It’ll likely be something we can see coming, if it happens. Then again, there’s a wild card. We as America is spread pretty thin right now, with our military in all corners of the globe. Not only that, but will our allies really want to back us after the way we’ve acted, if we get involved?

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Xeno Dragon Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:33:40 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559869 Overall I feel tempted to agree with Xeno’s assessment of the world’s treatment of nuclear war. I do, however, believe it is a common mistake to underestimate the depravity that our species is capable of on a large scale.

Another world war would surprise me, but not that much.

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Khalivarsha² Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:32:43 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559859 True, but look at the quotes from the scientists who developed it. People talked as if they knew the technology would get out to other countries well ahead of time.

Also, during the whole Bay of Pigs thing and all the craziness that surrounded that time, Russia had nukes but our fingers were still very close to the button on several occasions, as it seems theirs were as well.

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Khalivarsha² Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:30:43 +0100
Reply from Da⌐11 /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559853 [quote Xeno Dragon]I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.[/quote]

If there is another world war; it will most likely come up on the world slowly. War wont just brake out tomorrow because of the fear of nuclear inhalation; but a serious of small acts of one-upmanship could go farther than any one intended when it was started.

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Da⌐11 Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:29:41 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559849 No one else HAD it when we used it.

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Xeno Dragon Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:28:47 +0100
Reply from Khalivarsha² /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559845 I hope so, Xeno. Then again, most people were sure that nobody would ever use a nuclear bomb for fear of the kind of war that would result, until the U.S. did it. Many people thought that everyone would be too afraid of nuclear war after WWII, but look how close we came to it under the Kennedy administration.

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Khalivarsha² Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:27:40 +0100
Reply from Xeno Dragon /post/223883-pakistaniindian-origin-of-world-wa#reply-4559828 I think that we likely won’t need to worry about another world war, because everyone is too afraid of a nuclear war.

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Xeno Dragon Wed, 03 Dec 2008 19:23:31 +0100