[Help] Peace out Updates to this post /post/228259-peace-out Mon, 07 Dec 2009 21:08:13 +0100 The post was closed by Richard Cor de Lyon /post/228259-peace-out#reply-7678306 Richard Cor de Lyon Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:51:51 +0100 The post was edited by Richard Cor de Lyon /post/228259-peace-out#reply-7678305 Richard Cor de Lyon Thu, 08 Jan 2009 03:51:46 +0100 Reply from 2greeneyes /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4625067 Incredible Richard,
So true, trying to please someone and be what your not is not being true to yourself. The facade is exhausting and non fufilling. Making the beginning to be doomed. Sure gives one plenty of time to become resentful of something they initiated and acted out themselves, only to resent the one they lied to. How ironic. Tough being a messed up human, huh?

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2greeneyes Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:24:29 +0100
Reply from Jade /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4614686 ahhhh my dear friend once again you are teaching lessons so dear to my heart. My divorce taught me so much of what you speak here. The table was occupied by two people who were both in disguise. As I saw less of myself in a mirror and more of the cloak I was wearing, it became very apparent that I was dying a slow painful soul death.

It’s a scary thing to look in a mirror and not recognize yourself, to see a dying soul reflected in your own eyes, and to have physically allowed myself to show my lost of self respect.

but its not a sad story, I am now a vibrant, healthy, vital young woman in a loving relationship with someone appreciates what I bring to the table and I respect his offerings.

But not only has the change occurred in a relationship of love, but in everything I do…my intereaction with my children, my work and my daily interactions with anyone. My self respect is my confidence, my confidence is my armour against those who attempt to offend/hurt me. It is much easier to deflect careless acts/words of others now than ever before. To speak up when I am hurt…boy did that one take a long time!!!!

My mother was a wise woman, I miss her greatly, and as I grow and learn I understand and see the wisdom of her favorite saying….”I love myself…who do you love?” she would always say it with the biggest smile and a twinkle in her eye… the secrets of her wisdom continue to unfold before me, even though she has been gone for 6 years.

Hugs Rich…xo and Merry Christmas and may all good things be yours in the New Year..healthy, happiness and love!

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Jade Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:45:49 +0100
Reply from Richard Cor de Lyon /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4613347 Sasha ~ thank you for your kind words. I don’t think you were off topic by too much. As you and Silverwings point out divorce is more of an institution in Western culture than Marriage is these days; It is a sad state. Some religions try to prepare young couples for marriage (I know the Catholic Church does) but it generally gets bogged down with doctrine and the psychology of spending the rest of your life with someone usually takes a backseat (that was my experience). But Sasha, there does come a time for ‘cut and run’ as you say, and depending on the situation and what has been done there is no shame in that. The thing we must be mindful of break-up and and especially divorce is how shame can be worn like some death mask.

Thank you for your input Ramblingman. I know about good feelings. And in a break-up I believe we must keep the good with the bad. It actually is easier to keep the good memories. The bad memories tend to fade even quicker. That is how so many couples can find themselves back together after a time. They remember only the good feeling, quite forgetting the hurt they felt before. Remember the good and the bad; it helps to keep perspective.

Thank Cosmic Fool… I wish you a very merry Christmas as well :)

Thank you for your input Shie… you’ve learned a valuable lesson. But :) can you see when YOU are changing yourself for someone else? That, I think, is more common.

Thank you Libra… another wise lesson. We’re so lucky to have so many wise, beautiful women on this site!

Silver, thank you so much for your kind words. I do work with relationships in my practice. I do not yet have a workshop, but that’s a great idea! You mentioned divorce being the same in and out of a religious marriage. That reminded me of something I read. I read that many of our divorces are troubled, and wounded break-ups because the marriage was a bond within the confines of the spirit. The divorce however is as far away from spirit as one could get! This creates a great amount of shame. For example… I was married in the Catholic Church, and even though the State says I’m divorced, the Church does not recognize it. The church says that in the eyes of God, I am still married, and if I lay with another woman now I am committing adultery. So, some form of spiritual break-up might be the way to go too (when necessary).

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Richard Cor de Lyon Thu, 18 Dec 2008 05:11:40 +0100
Reply from I want out /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4612340 Richard I agree with thoes words, I have learned from each of my relationships, I have learned that I love myself enough to walk away when I know I should. Thanks a great post :)

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I want out Thu, 18 Dec 2008 01:00:29 +0100
Reply from ~Shie~ /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4611922 [quote]What’s the first expectation of love? When we say “I love you” to someone, what is the only thing we want to hear back in return? We naturally want to hear back, “I love you too”. We need to hear that so much we will do and say anything; we will become anyone so the other will love us. And we will continue being something untrue to our Self until shortly before the relationship is over.[/quote]
i have to say though… through the ‘learning’ in relationships in my past.. one thing that i have learned was…. if someone expects me to change so that i can feel a little more emotions from them… then they arent worth being with me. seriously, why do i or anyone for that matter have to change who they are for someone to love them? i now look at life and see that those people dont deserve to be in my life… and i will never change for someone again…. EVER… and i tell everyone.. if someone expects you to change… then show them the door…

also, the words i love you are just words… we need to see past those words because ANYONE can say those words… but it takes actions to prove it…

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~Shie~ Wed, 17 Dec 2008 23:41:51 +0100
Reply from Sasha101 /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610799 It’s funny how men and woman go looking for the relationship to make them feel “complete” I think we need to be complete in ourselves, relying on someone to “complete” you doesn’t work. As you say each party has to be complete in themselves before giving all to another.
Its a good idea to clear out and rearrange the “old baggage” before heading into another relationship too, I see on here many times the half hearted approach in a new relationship simply because the poster hadn’t given themselves the time to get over and grieve the failing relationship they just came out of.
Often the cut and run nowadays is the fashion, what happened to the word “try” many times there are posts saying, I want a divorce, but not the length of time they have actually tried to put this marriage back on its tracks. Many don’t approve, but I firmly believe in living together before marriage , you never truly know someone until you live together. If you don’t think the relationship can survive then you have no mucky divorce to go through, you have a time in which you decide if the commitment of marriage is going to be a viable consideration.
Children need to be left out of the living together status as so many posts on here are from children suffering the effects of their parents divorces. Im a bit off topic here, but just to say I fully agree with starting out with a clean slate as it were. :-)

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Sasha101 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:26:26 +0100
Reply from Rotech927 /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610792 Do you think so Silverwings? Maybe, too much water has gone under the bridge! There has too be effort on both sides of the ball…

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Rotech927 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:20:12 +0100
Reply from Silverwings /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610774 Rambling man…. rekindling that spark… can be very worthwhile :)

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Silverwings Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:08:05 +0100
Reply from Cosmic Fool /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610773 Words of wisdom, indeed a great read. Thanks, and wishing you a Merry christmas and new year =)

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Cosmic Fool Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:07:29 +0100
Reply from Rotech927 /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610764 Thanks Richard…very good post! Certainly can relate with those comments. My problem, the good memories are many. But, they are slowly fading away. We move on..and hope for the best!

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Rotech927 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:56:40 +0100
Reply from Silverwings /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610758 Wowoow Richard….. man… this is an awesome read…. and if we were voting, I believe it just very well may be your crowning achievement :)

Relationships… seem to be probably the very biggest problem that we all face, and something that we are never fully prepared for seems like.

There is much wisdom in this post, that can and should be applied.

I feel that much more work in this area needs to be done, since the divorce rate is so very high… 1 in 2, in the US, and I think it is the same in the church, as outside of the church, which is sad, and def. needs to be addressed.

I think a program needs to exist that will help partners to explore in great depth the issues of marriage, beforehand, in order to be better equipped for the journey, and much more able to live a happy productive life, together, in unity, rather than to have to endure the strife and pain that come, when two individuals cannot find answers to the perplexing problems, they face.

If you took this one area, and expanded it, into a very indepth study, that could be marketed as such, I think there would be a great demand for it. Even if it took a lifetime to complete, you would have left a powerful legacy, one that would help multitudes of generations coming afterwards.

I really think you have the ability to bring this forth, and it is something that I have longed for, and feel very necessary and vital, to the poplation at large.

I will cheer you on in your endeavors, and help in any way that I can, if need be.

Also, I would like it very much, if you made a post of this on SOE, and I will make a note of this post, to refer people to, that might be helped.

Keep it up…..

and God bless…..

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Silverwings Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:52:34 +0100
Reply from Sasha101 /post/228259-peace-out#reply-4610731 Wise words yet again Richard ! Great post hon :=)

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Sasha101 Wed, 17 Dec 2008 16:39:27 +0100
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