It’s a very beautiful system, but because of it’s proficiency, chaos and evolution does not currently allow it develop consciousness. Rather because it doesn’t have a need to experience it’s environment to exist, it does not. Though perhaps there is some internal consciousness that tells it to move this way to get more sunlight, or tells it when to stop producing energy for leaves. Internal systems like this might even exist inside of ourselves to maintain healthy bodily functions.

Why would you think God is in a constant state of reincarnation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDqaMF…

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“Suppose Homer wants to catch a stationary bus. Before he can get there, he must get halfway there. Before he can get halfway there, he must get a quarter of the way there. Before traveling a fourth, he must travel one-eighth; before an eighth, one-sixteenth; and so on.”

The point is, if space were infinitely divisible you would never get there. These paradoxes were only disproved recently with complex calculus, and I don’t really understand how. It could that means even if space were infinitely divisible you would get there(which doesn’t seem right in my mind), or that’s simply not possible. I don’t know I’ve still got to research that one.

and then we go smaller theres the sand that makes up the earth and water, and all of these things are made of molecules, which in turn are made of atoms, which in turn are made of qwarks and noone is really sure what makes a qwark. (I could be spelling that wrong) and thats what I mean, the scale seems infinite. its kind of mind blowing.

and regarding my “lucky unlucky” I was entertaining a slightly morbid mood when I wrote that, but to explain… the skiier whos been skiing most of his life and gets caught in an avalanche, the elk that gets hit by a car or caught in the forest fire, wasnt nescisarily the slowest or weakest of his particular gang, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. that was all I meant.

but yeah it seems cool and yet strange to me how if you look higher theres always something above, and if you look lower.. even though we havent found em yet, theres always something beneath. I bet one day we even find something smaller than the qwark. I think we should call it “the steve” that would be fun. but the point is there doesnt seem to be a beginning or an end to it.

but yeah back to the topic at hand we as people have the ability to do some amazing things, it sometimes boggles my mind that instead we seem to prefer to chose the atrocious. it kind of points to darwin’s theory. the strong, or the lucky (I added that part myself) continue to thrive while the weak or the unfortunate do not.

Would you care to elaborate on that?

You certainly didn’t offend me. There was a time I wanted to go hunting. I was young and my father told me not to. It made him sad to kill a deer, and I would feel the same way. You can see the life in their eyes, the Romans were right when they said the eyes are the gateway to the soul. If you have the state of mind to listen to animals, and to observe you can begin to see how their mind works. It’s very primitive, but occasionally you find ones that are intrigued with social interactions. Those are the ones I love. I suppose that’s how we started living with dogs. I once saw a video of a deer who lived in a woman’s house and acted almost exactly like a dog, and wasn’t afraid at all of the dog it lived with. :D

The god that made us in his image is a god of earth, not a god of the universe. Here on earth, we are like gods. In the universe we are like parasites, consuming resources and destroying the host.

The deer going to graze doesn’t surprise and truly saddens me. Grazing is most of the pleasure a deer has in life and probably saw that as the last opportunity for joy before death. It’s like a dying person lighting up a cigarette, or a last meal on death row…not surprising at all really, just sad.

I wouldn’t say I have disdain for killing, maybe for an unjust world, but killing is necessary for our way of life and I accept that, for now. I’m not a vegetarian, though I’ve considered am still considering. Meat does seem addictive to me, it tastes very good, and effectively I don’t save an animal by being a vegetarian. But perhaps one day we won’t need to destroy life, we will simply create what is necessary for nutrition and energy.

Also this screen is most definitely not the cause for the death of animals. The production of this screen was made by people who may or may not eat meat, though the majority of it was built automatically. But there is no direct cause for death involved with this computer. I really don’t see how my computer screen replaces an animal either.

I don’t agree with that yin and yang logic. Without bad there is no good, without death there is no life. This is just a philosophical paraphrase designed to show how absence can give you appreciation for what is there. The logic doesn’t work. It’s like saying
1 + 1 = 2, but 2 - 1 = 0. It just doesn’t work that way. If you were immortal you would still be very alive. If death had never happened before, than existence would just be considered eternal, you would have a beginning and no end. Absence of death would not change the status of being alive.

I’ve thought about this, and to eliminate our need to kill other things, we would first have to eliminate our feelings of greed, jealousy, a hunger for power and our over all need to put our metaphorical flags in the ground and say “its mine”.

Which is just unrealistic. It wont happen, everyone around the world would have to eliminate these feelings.

And you know what my big probelm with everyone complaining about God not caring about how sad, horrible things hapen? If you believe in God than you believe he gave us free choice - and for us to say “YEAH free choice! But hey when we f*** up royally, can you come down and fix everything?” is bullshite. We have done this to ourselves.

We may not be guilty, but we are responsible.

True also. It’s a sick sick world and I’m depressed a lot. But it makes those beautiful times so much more precious. Like seeing nature’s beauty. Or receiving love from anyone/thing. Things money cant buy. That’s when it’s all worth it!

You would support destruction over creation?

[quote LORD GEKKO]But when you die, your death is for the prolonging of other life. tit for tat.Easy peasy Japanesey. Furthermore, You as one of a quantum mind couldn’t possibly think that the end of this flesh is the end of consciousness, right?[/quote]

I think it’s entirely possible that the consciousness we perceive is more complex than the brain. But I certainly wouldn’t presume to know that.

I really think your missing the point of my post. Conscious existence can be so much more, it can be eternal, we just don’t live in that world. We live in a world where killing is justified by the continuation of life, death is inevitable. But many people confuse that inevitability with lack of significance. Death is the end of a complex biological system of molecules that, in some cases, structuralize sentience. That system has beauty, grandeur, and the ability to grow into something more. Yet that system also has developed the nasty habit of utilizing and destroying other systems for personal gain. An inherent evil, destructive nature, causality, call it what you will, but this world…it is hellish.