[quote Pongo]I’m not going to insult your intelligence, but I would just like to point out that every typical American believes their country is the best of the best, “free and equal” opportunity for all.[/quote]

This is the most ignorant and stereotypical thing I have ever read. Who the hell are you to say this? How is this not insulting and disrespectful towards me and my country?

[quote Pongo]@Stoli: I disrespect your country because I say the truth for what it is? First of all, I don’t even know where you got your so-called “fact” from. By definition, a fact is something that is true. Merely claiming that America has more opportunity is nothing more then a biased opinion.
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The truth? This is so ignorant! Everything that you are saying is opinion!

I don’t even know where you got your so-called “false” from. By definition, false is something that is not true. Merely claiming that America has less opportunity is nothing more then a biased opinion.
^^Practice what you preach. And get your foot out of your mouth.

I just want to know if there are any other people that have moved in another country (it could be any country) :P

And all of the things you put up are irrelevant to this post. What I was arguing was that the American Dream, in which anyone can achieve success, is false in America and that it does not exist. I don’t get what you’re trying to argue with me.

@NoGifts: I suppose we all have a different definition of the American Dream. Up until the last sentence of your post, I concurred. However, the entire point I was trying to make the whole time was that no matter how hard you work, you’ll never be able to climb the social ladder and achieve millionaire success, which is the reason (atleast I personally believe) most people immigrate to the United States in the first place.

And all this pointless debate ties in together with alex_man12345678’s original post because he was asking about moving to another country. I say moving to another country, such as Canada and Australia, is a better choice then moving to America. I don’t deny the fact that most immigrants probably believed the whole “If I work hard enough I can be successful in America” myth. I was trying to point out that the entire idea itself is false, especially under the economic downtime we’re having right now.

I was very anti-American as a youth and I thought it represented everything I stood against. As an adult, and at my husbands insistence, I visited New York. Now I work hard to fund my next visit. It is an amazing country and very diverse in it’s people, culture and geography. I love it.

Even simpler and better than what I said.

There is a mile of difference between negativity and realism. I take the latter when I look at the world.

You worked hard and achieved success. Great job. Now think; For how many 350 million citizens of American (and don’t even get started on illegal aliens) does your success story apply to?

On the flip side of the coin, how many of those 350 million citizens of American had the American Dream as their goal at first and ended up in disappointment? How many of those 350 million citizens worked hard and diligently but never achieved their goals? Is it because that they are lazy? Is it that they are not working hard enough?

The truth is, the American Dream doesn’t exist. By definition the “American Dream” is the ability for any living human being on Earth to start fresh with equal opportunity as the next guy in the United States. The mere fact that probably less then 5% of the population had experienced the “American Dream”, such as yourself, should already speak for itself.[/quote]

Everyone of your post pisses me off. You are disrespecting me and my country. You need to open your eyes and need to get this retarded bullshyt brainwash out of your head.

It is a FACT you have more opportunity in the United States of America than you do in ANY other country.

You have no idea what struggle is. If you are here on this computer typing, you have no clue.

Did you know there are 7yo kids living in the streets of Russia? This goes for countless other countries. We are talking about millions of kids living in the streets. Now tell me, how many kids do you see living in the streets of America? Zero!!! Why? Because when a child does not have a home they aren’t put on the streets they are taking to another family or a childrens home. Witch then you would go to school get a education and leave that home. Get there own home and start a family.

That’s just a small example out of the hundreds. What about all the kids out there that don’t get a education? In America EVERY kid gets an education, it’s the law.

One of the main reasons is that America runs everything. Do you know how many trillions of American dollars are traded between other countries just because our dollar is worth the most?

Do you know how many countries this country supports? Did you know Americans are considered the consumers of earth? Do you know how many people that don’t have fresh water every day?

I could go on forever about this but I’m at work.

Please consider what you say before you disrespect the country that my fathers have died for.

There is a mile of difference between negativity and realism. I take the latter when I look at the world.

You worked hard and achieved success. Great job. Now think; For how many 350 million citizens of American (and don’t even get started on illegal aliens) does your success story apply to?

On the flip side of the coin, how many of those 350 million citizens of American had the American Dream as their goal at first and ended up in disappointment? How many of those 350 million citizens worked hard and diligently but never achieved their goals? Is it because that they are lazy? Is it that they are not working hard enough?

The truth is, the American Dream doesn’t exist. By definition the “American Dream” is the ability for any living human being on Earth to start fresh with equal opportunity as the next guy in the United States. The mere fact that probably less then 5% of the population had experienced the “American Dream”, such as yourself, should already speak for itself.

Hmmm I don’t know what country you are in, the US is awesome, and it is free and equal[/quote]

But of course. For an American it is anyway. I’m not going to insult your intelligence, but I would just like to point out that every typical American believes their country is the best of the best, “free and equal” opportunity for all.

Alex, if you’re going to move, go to Canada or Australia. But honestly, if you’re going to come to the United States, don’t come to this sh1thole with high hopes of succeeding.

Whatever “success stories” you may have heard of the typical American Dream is not true. You can’t just “work your way to the top” just because your in America. That modern view of America sickens me.[/quote]

Speak for yourself only. I am living the American dream :)[/quote]

I speak for every immigrant when I say the American dream is false. I speak for nearly every working class citizen in America when I say the American Dream is false. If you honestly think that working hard and diligently will allow you to reap the fruits later, then you’re wrong. John isn’t going to be having a 2-story house with a pool in the back with his wife and 2 sons with a dog named Spike.

But you don’t have to believe my words. Read great plays like Arthur Miller’s Death of a Salesmen or Scott Fitzgerald’s novel The Great Gatsby. They speak wonders about the flaws and the disillusionment of the typical American Dream you Americans love to fawn about.

The thing is that I live on a street where nothing happens. All my neighbours just live, work, get married and do the same stuff every day. It’s to much monotony, I have to say, so I need to start over again in order to do something.

I’m not moving to another country in order to succed, I’ve got some online bussinesses I’m working on so the money won’t be a problem. I come there in order to be free and start my life, without parents, without friends that don’t want to do something special with their life, without nothing. I think it would be a cool experience and a way to change my life forever, to see how big is the world and to live for real.

Thanks again for your answering.

Hmmm I don’t know what country you are in, the US is awesome, and it is free and equal[/quote]

But of course. For an American it is anyway. I’m not going to insult your intelligence, but I would just like to point out that every typical American believes their country is the best of the best, “free and equal” opportunity for all.

Alex, if you’re going to move, go to Canada or Australia. But honestly, if you’re going to come to the United States, don’t come to this sh1thole with high hopes of succeeding.

Whatever “success stories” you may have heard of the typical American Dream is not true. You can’t just “work your way to the top” just because your in America. That modern view of America sickens me.[/quote]

Speak for yourself only. I am living the American dream :)

Hmmm I don’t know what country you are in, the US is awesome, and it is free and equal[/quote]

But of course. For an American it is anyway. I’m not going to insult your intelligence, but I would just like to point out that every typical American believes their country is the best of the best, “free and equal” opportunity for all.

Alex, if you’re going to move, go to Canada or Australia. But honestly, if you’re going to come to the United States, don’t come to this sh1thole with high hopes of succeeding.

Whatever “success stories” you may have heard of the typical American Dream is not true. You can’t just “work your way to the top” just because your in America. That modern view of America sickens me.

All the best.

Hmmm I don’t know what country you are in, the US is awesome, and it is free and equal