[Help] everytime I speak to people in a group and im not the center of attention I struggle to ... Updates to this post /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr Tue, 08 Dec 2009 20:21:40 +0100 Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5109358 [quote littlenick]I wish I could give a magic wand or a recipe for you to overcome that. Unfortunately, I’m not there with you to help you through that. That makes me sad. Hopefull in time you will do it by yourself and it will all be all right.[/quote]

I do hope i can sort if out. i struggle because i see my siblings make friends and go out where as im stuck at home frustrated. i guess i do struggle to go into other peoples worlds and see their needs other than my own. a lot of people say when i got aspergers and find things difficult they say i use it as an excuse but its easy for them to say that, its like i can empathise a bit but not all the time. its like they have this all or nothing theory. either i can or not, but its more complicated than that. i can do it in bits but not as much as the majority can.

I know someone who me and my brother and mate think who has autism. she only thinks of her own needs the whole time, like we we go out she doesnt have the capability to see what my needs are. she constantly wants to do the things she wants to do and never even considers what i want to do at all. i do get frustrated though, being on the other side (she is more affected than me).

also i think i can forget easily other peoples needs are different to my own. i guess i need to remember that when people dont give me their attention, its because, like me, they need it themselves which i can so easily not recognise and pick up. its like ive been thinking if they dont give me attention, its their way of rejecting me which is what i thought and have been taking it painfully personally. it has given me great pain inside.

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spiritedsoul Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:06:38 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108661 I wish I could give a magic wand or a recipe for you to overcome that. Unfortunately, I’m not there with you to help you through that. That makes me sad. Hopefull in time you will do it by yourself and it will all be all right.

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:34:02 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108627 [quote spiritedsoul][quote littlenick][quote spiritedsoul]but i think the problem is im so focused on needing attention myself i forget other people need it too.[/quote]

Maybe it’s a matter of give and take. Just don’t give up.[/quote]

well, i wont, thats kinda why im on here, to ask for guidance, help, advice etc[/quote]

i do want to work through this and now i know what could be the main difficulty it means ican try and find ways to work round it,

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 23:15:29 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108598 Unfortunately i have to go tonight..i will be back on tomorrow, add me as a friend

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:55:36 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108592 [quote littlenick][quote spiritedsoul]but i think the problem is im so focused on needing attention myself i forget other people need it too.[/quote]

Maybe it’s a matter of give and take. Just don’t give up.[/quote]

well, i wont, thats kinda why im on here, to ask for guidance, help, advice etc

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:52:36 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108591 [quote MiaMags][quote spiritedsoul][quote MiaMags]I see what you mean, I didn’t mean to hurt you. Im sorry.

The best thing you can do is show a little more interest in what others are saying. But remember, if you want attention, give attention. Its a 50/50 deal. And that is how a friendship works too hun. You should practice with one person, then teo people then three people and find hwere you have troubles and work hard to get to your goal point[/quote]

thanks for understanding. i have tried to show interest and attempted to put in effort but i really find it hard. like when there are two people talkin or more its like im in competition to have the most focus on myself still. i guess im so focused on myself to realise everyone else wants the same thing. i guess its not like i dont care about what other people want, its like ive been oblivious to that. its like ive only focused on what i want, rather than being able to realise what other peoples needs are i suppose. you agree?[/quote]

I think there are alot of people like that. i think what you have to do is try maybe to make the circle of people talking into an open talk session where people can just join in and say whatever they want. random talk. Maybe try that instead of be quiet. BUT remeber not to cut people off when theya re talking. it is hard to describe[/quote]

yeah cutting of is so easy because i forget what their needs are as im so focused on my own.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:51:47 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108589 [quote spiritedsoul]but i think the problem is im so focused on needing attention myself i forget other people need it too.[/quote]

Maybe it’s a matter of give and take. Just don’t give up.

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:50:27 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108588 [quote spiritedsoul][quote MiaMags]I see what you mean, I didn’t mean to hurt you. Im sorry.

The best thing you can do is show a little more interest in what others are saying. But remember, if you want attention, give attention. Its a 50/50 deal. And that is how a friendship works too hun. You should practice with one person, then teo people then three people and find hwere you have troubles and work hard to get to your goal point[/quote]

thanks for understanding. i have tried to show interest and attempted to put in effort but i really find it hard. like when there are two people talkin or more its like im in competition to have the most focus on myself still. i guess im so focused on myself to realise everyone else wants the same thing. i guess its not like i dont care about what other people want, its like ive been oblivious to that. its like ive only focused on what i want, rather than being able to realise what other peoples needs are i suppose. you agree?[/quote]

I think there are alot of people like that. i think what you have to do is try maybe to make the circle of people talking into an open talk session where people can just join in and say whatever they want. random talk. Maybe try that instead of be quiet. BUT remeber not to cut people off when theya re talking. it is hard to describe

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:50:12 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108587 but i think the problem is im so focused on needing attention myself i forget other people need it too.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:49:43 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108586 [quote littlenick]People with idiopathic Parkinson’s disease may develop several symptoms over time; however, most patients do not develop all of the symptoms associated with the condition. In most cases, primary symptoms include slow movements (bradykinesia), tremor, rigidity, and parkinsonian gait. Symptoms of Parkinson’s usually begin on one side of the body.

Parkinson’s disease may progress quickly or gradually over years. Many patients become profoundly disabled and others continue to function relatively well.

Symptoms of Parkinson’s can vary from day to day or even moment to moment. There often is no clear reason for this fluctuation of symptoms; however, it may be attributable to disease process or to antiparkinson medications.

Primary Symptoms
Bradykinesia is slowness in voluntary movement. It produces difficulty initiating movement, as well as difficulty completing movement once it is in progress. The delayed transmission of signals from the brain to the skeletal muscles, due to diminished dopamine, produces bradykinesia. Bradykinesia and rigidity that affects the facial muscles can result in an expressionless, “mask-like” appearance.

Tremors in the hands, fingers, forearm, or foot tend to occur when the limb is at rest, but not when the patient is performing tasks. Tremor may occur in the mouth and chin as well.

Rigidity, or stiff muscles, may produce muscle pain and facial masking. Rigidity tends to increase during movement.

Poor balance is due to the impairment or loss of the reflexes that adjust posture in order to maintain balance. Falls are common in people with Parkinson’s disease.

Parkinsonian gait is the distinctive unsteady walk associated with Parkinson’s disease. There is a tendency to lean unnaturally backward or forward, and to develop a stooped, head-down, shoulders-drooped stance. Arm swing is diminished or absent and people with Parkinson’s tend to take small shuffling steps (called festination). Patient’s with Parkinson’s may have trouble starting to walk, may appear to be falling forward as they walk, may freeze in mid-stride, and may have difficulty making a turn.[/quote]

i find it hard to read as so logical and all that. but it doesnt seem very pleasant to have.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:49:08 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108585 I too sometimes need validation and attention by others that is why I spend my time trying to attract attention by telling jokes or just being plain annoying. When I see that people don’t pay attention to me after I told a joke or even when I tried to be annoying it makes me sad.

But you know what? I’m happy within myself. I try to keep myself smiling and positive in a way that I can actually be contagious and try to make other people smile and maybe be a little bit happy.

And I don’t give up. I’m sure most of the people who know me here have noticed. I try until I get someone to notice that what I said was either funny or annoying but I keep on trying. And I think that is the key, to keep on trying no matter what.

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:46:35 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108584 [quote MiaMags]I see what you mean, I didn’t mean to hurt you. Im sorry.

The best thing you can do is show a little more interest in what others are saying. But remember, if you want attention, give attention. Its a 50/50 deal. And that is how a friendship works too hun. You should practice with one person, then teo people then three people and find hwere you have troubles and work hard to get to your goal point[/quote]

thanks for understanding. i have tried to show interest and attempted to put in effort but i really find it hard. like when there are two people talkin or more its like im in competition to have the most focus on myself still. i guess im so focused on myself to realise everyone else wants the same thing. i guess its not like i dont care about what other people want, its like ive been oblivious to that. its like ive only focused on what i want, rather than being able to realise what other peoples needs are i suppose. you agree?

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:46:27 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108578 People with idiopathic Parkinson’s disease may develop several symptoms over time; however, most patients do not develop all of the symptoms associated with the condition. In most cases, primary symptoms include slow movements (bradykinesia), tremor, rigidity, and parkinsonian gait. Symptoms of Parkinson’s usually begin on one side of the body.

Parkinson’s disease may progress quickly or gradually over years. Many patients become profoundly disabled and others continue to function relatively well.

Symptoms of Parkinson’s can vary from day to day or even moment to moment. There often is no clear reason for this fluctuation of symptoms; however, it may be attributable to disease process or to antiparkinson medications.

Primary Symptoms
Bradykinesia is slowness in voluntary movement. It produces difficulty initiating movement, as well as difficulty completing movement once it is in progress. The delayed transmission of signals from the brain to the skeletal muscles, due to diminished dopamine, produces bradykinesia. Bradykinesia and rigidity that affects the facial muscles can result in an expressionless, “mask-like” appearance.

Tremors in the hands, fingers, forearm, or foot tend to occur when the limb is at rest, but not when the patient is performing tasks. Tremor may occur in the mouth and chin as well.

Rigidity, or stiff muscles, may produce muscle pain and facial masking. Rigidity tends to increase during movement.

Poor balance is due to the impairment or loss of the reflexes that adjust posture in order to maintain balance. Falls are common in people with Parkinson’s disease.

Parkinsonian gait is the distinctive unsteady walk associated with Parkinson’s disease. There is a tendency to lean unnaturally backward or forward, and to develop a stooped, head-down, shoulders-drooped stance. Arm swing is diminished or absent and people with Parkinson’s tend to take small shuffling steps (called festination). Patient’s with Parkinson’s may have trouble starting to walk, may appear to be falling forward as they walk, may freeze in mid-stride, and may have difficulty making a turn.

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:42:35 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108577 I see what you mean, I didn’t mean to hurt you. Im sorry.

The best thing you can do is show a little more interest in what others are saying. But remember, if you want attention, give attention. Its a 50/50 deal. And that is how a friendship works too hun. You should practice with one person, then teo people then three people and find hwere you have troubles and work hard to get to your goal point

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:42:17 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108576 [quote jetmoo]maybe I was wrong about you not having enough confidence..i think you need to see others as equally as important as yourself. everyone deserve attention, but should also listen to others as well[/quote]

i guess its something that doesnt come naturally to me. its like i experience a lot of emotional pain and feel extrememly rejected. i get all these emotions fire up which are hard to control. they make me feel sad and i end up excluding myself.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:41:57 +0100
Reply from Island /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108575 I didn’t know you suffered from Aspergers till I saw Nick’s response.

Do you receive any help with dealing with social interactions?

I don’t think many people would feel uncomfortable around you at all; in fact it may help them and ultimately you, if they did know about what you have to deal with - from what you’ve said you keep how you are feeling underwraps.

Maybe try not to have the mindset of ‘I was born to expect to have all the focus on myself’ - it’s not set in stone. You can learn to focus on others, have empathy and set your own agenda to the side.

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Island Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:41:37 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108572 [quote jetmoo]does it make you feel bad when you think that others are less important?[/quote]

im not sure, atm im just getting over being called selfish by a certain someone.
but then atm i am feeling sensitive as in low state of mind.

i dont think it has made me feel bad tbh. its not like i dont care about them, i guess i see it more as i should be the focus and have all the attention.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:39:29 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108570 [quote spiritedsoul]what is parkinson’s?[/q

it happend when you become older and you start to become lathargic and forget who your family is and really who anyone is. Its a form of dementia. Nothing you can do to help it.

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:39:11 +0100
Reply from jetmoo /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108569 maybe I was wrong about you not having enough confidence..i think you need to see others as equally as important as yourself. everyone deserve attention, but should also listen to others as well

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jetmoo Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:38:56 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108568 [quote spiritedsoul][quote MiaMags]Well thats not right. It should be give and recieve. Not stubborness. that is your problem right there. you only think of yourself. dont be so selfish[/quote]

this is what i mean by ignorance. i dont intend to be selfish, its how my brain is wired as i have aspergers syndrome a form of autism. you really dont understand, please dont call me selfish. thats not fair.[/quote]

Very sorry love..i didnt read above

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:38:14 +0100
Reply from jetmoo /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108566 does it make you feel bad when you think that others are less important?

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jetmoo Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:37:29 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108565 what is parkinson’s?

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:36:59 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108563 I have a friend with parkinson’s and some people feel uncomfortable with him when they talk to him. That is why I thought it would be the same with you. But I guess they’re too totally different conditions, uh?

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:35:46 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108560 [quote MiaMags]Well thats not right. It should be give and recieve. Not stubborness. that is your problem right there. you only think of yourself. dont be so selfish[/quote]

this is what i mean by ignorance. i dont intend to be selfish, its how my brain is wired as i have aspergers syndrome a form of autism. you really dont understand, please dont call me selfish. thats not fair.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:34:26 +0100
Reply from jetmoo /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108557 I’m sorry i’m not sure what to say. maybe you need to build some self confidence. if you’re jealous maybe you feel like people are better than you and you arent as good. you just need to believe in yourself abit more.because you are good. and no one is better than any other person. we are all good at some things and bad at others. but no one is good at everything, nor are some bad at everything.

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jetmoo Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:33:51 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108555 Well thats not right. It should be give and recieve. Not stubborness. that is your problem right there. you only think of yourself. dont be so selfish

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:32:50 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108551 [quote littlenick]Do you think people feel uncomfortable because of your aspergers’? (Did I even spell it right?)[/quote]

well, thing is, most people dont know i have it, and will not have any understanding or any knowledge. most are ignorant with that kinda thing.

but what way do u think ppl would be uncomfortable?

[quote MiaMags]That happens to me alot. the thing that i do help it so i do not feel that way is act interested in what theya re saying so that way they feel more comfortable with me and give me that attention. people love it when theya re talking they know you are listening and maybe relate. Then, after that, you will be able to grab their attention because they like you.[/quote]

i guess i do struggle to show interest. thats prob it. most people are better at showing interest than me. i guess i could try and show more interest, but even so, its like im born to expect to have all the focus on myself.

its like everything should be about me and every1 else is less important.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:31:12 +0100
Reply from MiaMags /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108524 That happens to me alot. the thing that i do help it so i do not feel that way is act interested in what theya re saying so that way they feel more comfortable with me and give me that attention. people love it when theya re talking they know you are listening and maybe relate. Then, after that, you will be able to grab their attention because they like you.

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MiaMags Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:21:57 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108516 Do you think people feel uncomfortable because of your aspergers’? (Did I even spell it right?)

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:19:04 +0100
21 users were invited to read this post by littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-8582650 littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:17:50 +0100 Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108492 well, the thing is, i would think like that if it happened with a few people. but i experience this 95% of the time.

i dunno if its a matter of them being true or not considerin i have this problem a MAJORITY of the time. if it happened with just a few people it wud be easier to mention this but it happens most of the time.
i struggle to join in conversations when peoples minds are focus away from myself.
it is like myself should be the centre of all group conversations i join in and if im not, i close off and end up feeling hurt and isolated. unfortuntetly, realsitcally not in all group conversations will people be willing to fit round what i want to talk about. god its so hard to talk about it, but i end up feeling sohurt.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:08:48 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108487 Can you actually say that some of these people are “true” friends of yours?

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:05:29 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108485 Im not sure jokes work to be honest. its like i dunno how to deal with the feelings inside. i think thats why i got jealous of one time my ex being with a partner and things like that. not so much about being in a relationship, but its like i have to have all the focus on me the whole time, and its like if i dont, i feel isolated and left out and never know how to accept it.
i feel betrayed and rejected if people dont give me attention. when peoples minds are focus on other people i get angry and jealous inside and dont know how to deal with it. its like attention =happy, no attention= very unhappy.
either i get it or not. its like when people are distracted i can struggle to understand and get so upset and frustrated. its like i cant join into the conversation if i dont get any focus.
i dont know how to explain it but it really is affecting me and i end up feeling so isolated.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 22:04:21 +0100
Reply from littlenick /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108432 Have you tried jokes?

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littlenick Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:40:06 +0100
Reply from spiritedsoul /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108351 yeah I have tried that at times, but so often i struggle to have an opportunity to join myself in. its like for a conversation to be worthwhile, they have to focus all the attention of me rather than someone else.

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spiritedsoul Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:02:31 +0100
Reply from grbghp /post/290745-everytime-i-speak-to-people-in-a-gr#reply-5108331 have an opinion about the subject of the conversation,
listen for a few sentences and then ask a question or add your stick to the fire,
or wait for a break and start a new convo. like, have you heard about yada yada yada?

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grbghp Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:46:04 +0100