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Limon
1 year, 11 months ago

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Limon
2 years, 3 months ago

Hey Matt,

Haven’t seen you around for a while. Keep expecting you to show up on here one of these days. Hope all is well, old friend.

-Limon

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Limon
2 years, 5 months ago

Hey Matt,

Thanks for taking the time to respond to my question on the God post. I appreciate it.

Well, you probably thought I was joking, but I actually went to the video rental place in town the other night. Unfortunately, they don’t even have Remo Williams. Haha. I watched it once as a kid but I don’t remember much.

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none999
2 years, 5 months ago

Hi Limon,

You are absolutely correct in your logic when you note the parallelism between an infinite regression of material causes and an infinite progression of material effects. Both are equally absurd and both are an inadequate expression, not only of the universe which we know, but of the demand we feel inside ourselves to make sense of it. Just as looking backwards leads us to the conclusion of an uncaused cause, looking forwards leads us to envision a transcendent purpose.

This is in accordance with the dual nature of God as being both immanent and transcendent, as standing outside of existence and himself not subject to causality, yet Him being both the ground and the aim (the “alpha and omega”) of that existence.

But to repeat, we are not to conceive of either the first cause or the final purpose as being events within a temporal framework. God is eternal and his dual nature imparts both fundamental and ultimate characteristics to every moment of physical time.

In my first argument, I addressed the question of a first cause. This led to an understanding of God as being imminent. In theology, it is expressed using the symbols of Creation, Fall, and Omnipotence.

On the other hand, it is possible to make an equally valid argument regarding the nature of a final purpose to existence. It leads to an understanding of God as being transcendent. In theology, it is expressed using the symbols of Consummation, Judgment, Salvation, and Eschatology. With a little imagination, you can see how this argument is relatable to man’s moral existence, where as the first one is more relatable to his divine origins.

Eternity equally inhabits all moments of time, and therefore every moment contains a “final purpose” which concerns God infinitely and participates with him in the Divine Life. I’d like to quote you a passage which may serve to illustrate the mater graphically.

‘This drives us to the question as to whether we can imagine a diagram which in some way unites the qualities of “coming from,” “going ahead,” and “rising to.” I would suggest a curve which comes from above, moves down as well as ahead, reaches the deepest point which is the nunc existentiale, the “existential now,” and returns in an analogous way to that from which it came, going ahead as well as going up. This curve can be drawn in every moment of experienced time, and it can also be seen as the diagram for temporality as a whole. It implies the creation of the temporal, the beginning of time, and the return of the temporal to the eternal, the end of time. But the end of time is not conceived in terms of a definite moment either in the past or in the future. Beginning from and ending in the eternal are not matters of a determinable moment in physical time but rather a process going on in every moment, as does the divine creation. There is always creation and consummation, beginning and end.’

Paul Tillich
Systematic Theology, Vol. III
p. 420

I hope this helps. I would highly recommend reading Tillich’s Systematic Theology to anyone who is earnestly seeking answers to theological questions styled in modern philosophical terminology. It is a great book by one of the brightest religious thinkers of the twentieth century. It covers the arguments I’ve presented here plus a great deal more, and is well worth looking into.

Always,
-Matt

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none999
2 years, 5 months ago

Limon, that was truly awesome and very thoughtful. I had to come by and thank you personally. I love it.

-Matt

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Limon
2 years, 5 months ago

Hey Matt. Thanks for the shout. I’m looking forward to your reply. Talk to you later.

Limon

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none999
2 years, 5 months ago

Hi Limon,

I’m going to write you a reply on the view you expressed on the post about God. I wanted to let you know personally that I appreciate your input. Gosh, it’s been awhile since we’ve talked, my old friend. I shall have to remedy that. When I have the reply done, I’ll past it here as well as on the post, so it doesn’t get lost in the noise.

Take care for now, Limon
-Matt

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none999
2 years, 8 months ago

I stayed up all night talking to Hope, but I slept this morning, thank you.

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Limon
2 years, 8 months ago

How are you today? Were you able to get any sleep last night?

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

Thanks for the update Fronde. No worries. Take your time.

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

I’m sorry I still haven’t written the atheism post. I’ve been worried about Tapdancer. It’s still forthcoming, though. I haven’t forgotten.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

Cool. Looking forward to it… the post.

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

I see your shout, Limon. My reply to the Atheism question is going to take some time to compose, however. I’ll probably get it up some time tomorrow.

No not that! The post, gutterbrain!Lol.

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

OK, I’m gla we’re cool. Wouldn’t want to lose ya’, buddy.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

No Fronde. I was being sincere. Sorry if I came across as being sarcastic… now that I read it again I can see how you might think that. Maybe cause I put it in quotes…

I normally throw in some humor, but I didn’t think it would be appropriate, so maybe that is why?

I thought about saying something about the poem, but I figured that it spoke for itself, so I decided not to say anything.

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

Limon, do I detect something in your voice that leads me to believe that I am disfavor with you. I really meant to compliment you. Thank you so much for your help. You are very generous with your advice, and you have been a good friend. I take your suggestios with the utmost seriousness, especially about the au pair. It’s a great idea, and I’m looking into it. You’re a good man, Limon.

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

I’ve never really worked with kids before, but I am a captivating educator. I’ll consider that.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

Bloodsport rules! kumate.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

Perhaps you could be an au pair. Find a wealthy European family in need of a chef/nanny/homework tutor. Any experience working with kids?

http://www.aupair.com/

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

In order to make my life woman-worthy, i must have lands and armor befitting a knight of my stature.

(Of course, I’m speaking metaphorically now, since we don’t actually live that way anymore.)

In modern parlance, what that means is that I need a publicly visable acumen that commands respect. Moving out of my mother’s house probably wouldn’t hurt, either. Since the only thing I really care about is far-right politics (meaning the Spenglerian Conservative Revolution, not the neo-cons, theo-cons, or other such horse-shit) I believe I should devote myself to thinking and writing on those matters. In the meantime, I will have to get a simple job to support myself. As you may have read, I love to cook, so, anything involving food would be a good job for me, as long as it’s part-time.

I’m thinking seriously of emigrating to Europe, illegally if need be. With the tradition of hostleries that exist throughout the continent, I should be able to support myself on little money and live the life of a gentleman scholar that I desire. It’s almost impossible to do that in America. Being a country without a past, built entirely in the form of pretentious modern giantism, you almost have to be a workaholic just to survive here.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

I’ve found it easier to have a dialog in one shoutbox than go through the damned nonsense of clicking back and forth. To hell with the bastards who developed this website.

Hmmmm…. for me, finding a woman was always the hard part. So what are your ideas for getting your shit together and making your life woman worthy?

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

Limon, you make me laugh, my friend.

Seriously though, will has never been a problem. Finding an outlet for it in the stultified modern world without breaking its banks and passing over into base criminality is the problem.

Now, about the woman business, it’s a little more complicated than I originaly let on. It isn’t that I can’t find one, it’s that I am unwilling to bring one into my current life, shamefull as it is. So it’s more of a lack-of-place-for-a-woman issue than I woman issue per se.

I’ve never seriously considered online dating, no.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

*too high*

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

Well, it is not easy facing the self-annihilating skepticism and trying to live up to the ideal of a granite-willed warrior. Maybe your expectations are to high?

What about this woman business — thought about online dating?

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

What I mean by “real life” is that I have nothing to live for. Now don’t get me wrong—I’m not like the other suicidal people who visit this sight sometimes. I feel fine psychologically and I’m in no danger.

I mean that no matter what I do, nothing ever seems to change, which was true even when I had a job. That, indeed, was one of the main reasons I quit. I have no real responsibility, no place that feels like home,and no woman. I have lots of ideas, but I just can’t seem to get any traction.

Traction—that’s what I need most.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

I personally have never been able to sustain my motivation. It comes and goes like the seasons.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

Yes, it can be extremely difficult to find motivation when there is no necessity to get out of bed. What do you mean, a real life?

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

Actually, I’m just sort of drifting. Since there is no vital and necessary activity that I must engage in every day, no criterion of success or failure under these conditions, I don’t really know what I’m doing. I wish I had a real life. I wish I wasn’t stuck here like this. I have no idea what I’m going to to.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

How’s it going since you left your job? Hit any roadblocks? Excited about the possibilities?

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none999
2 years, 9 months ago

I still don’t have a blog, my friend Limon. I’m not 100% sure I want one. Having to come up with the topics on which to write interesting monographs day after day would be very difficult, I think. I’ve never been much of a journelist. But thank you for the support, damn you.

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Limon
2 years, 9 months ago

How’s your blog coming? Are you gonna post the link on here? I want to read your blog, damn you.

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