burgerkrieg's shout trail with Richard Cor de Lyon - Help.com

Thanks for the great reply Richard—that helps explain exactly where you were coming from with your original post. I doubt I will hear much from the opposition but I am glad you decided to share that with me. You are right—it is very much about the power to do it systematically. The best (which also makes it the worse) example of such systematic oppression I can think of being the Nazi government during the Holocaust. Considering a person as “inhuman” is the main key in oppression (which, like during the Holocaust, leads also to genocide)—“The Roots of Evil: The Origins of Genocide and Other Group Violence” by Ervin Staub is an excellent discussion on this topic. But in any case, I believe the law you were thinking of was the 3/5ths law—where a slave counted as 3/5ths a person for the census records as was a condition by the under-populated southern states (as they wanted more representation in the House) required in return for ratifying the US Constitution.

No, you never offended me, far from it actually. I can understand your resentment toward this site, how you were treated, and the mods disregard of your issues as I’ve been there myself. But it has been nice talking with you and I’ll add you to my friends. Hope to see you around—take care!

Your reply was very very well written. There are many people or groups of people (that are in opposition to racism) who believe that racism is defined as the systemic oppression of a group of people by another group of people. Here in America this is exclusive to Whites (sadly). It is ONLY the white European’s that came to this country, that founded this country, that had the power to do this. Slavery had a huge economic impact to early America. So much so that laws were passed to protect this commodity. The laws said if you had black skin you were not a full human, you were 1/3 (I believe was the value they placed on blacks) of a human. This value was ONLY placed to formulate census to decide political representation. Indentured servitude was the original ’slavery’ in this country, even of black. But LAWS were passed to say blacks were never to be freed (like the indentured Irish or Native American’s) Later, laws of segregation were passed (see Jim Crow) to further the oppression of Blacks. Blacks were the ONLY race in early America to be so systemically oppressed by the their white slave master oppressor (including such notable names as George Washington and Thomas Jefferson). Based on the above definition, Blacks have never oppressed whites systemically, they’ve not had that kind of power… by the definition above the only racism that I’m aware of is caused by White European’s Mostly against blacks… some against Native Americans, and in WW2 against Japanese Americans.

What we see today is a lot of hatred based on prejudice (pre-judging), bias and stereotyping… not pure racism. The man (regardless of color) that thinks his Mexican neighbor is a lazy ass car thief is prejudice… a neo-Nazi is racist.

Thank you for your support. I apologize if I offended you or anyone in the post. I didn’t appreciate being called prejudice, I hope you might understand why now. Would I like to continue the discussion in a different post? No, thank you. After being called prejudice and being implied that I am racist… AND the mods doing nothing about it when I complained… this site can fuck off for a while. And they can do that without me.

Hi Richard. I’m not sure if you are still following the discussion in the “Can someone explain to me how someone can be rasicist?” But I was interested in your post regarding the birth of racism in the US and find it unfortunate that Da-11 found it necessary to insult you with no grounding what so ever. I made a rather lengthy reply which I thought you might be interested in but if you wish to remain away from that post would you be interested in carrying on the discussion in a new post?