I’ve given your comments some thought, and this is the best way I know to respond. I hope you understand it.
To start off, I’d like to tell you about one of my favorite scientists, Einstein. He was quite confident that, before any person can even begin to engage in science, that person must, by FAITH, accept the logical intelligibility of the universe. You must have a belief, without any proof or evidence, that the universe is capable of being understood. You need faith that mysteries can be solved, and that questions have answers. This view is shared by other men of science throughout history, and it is a valid viewpoint.
To give an example, in my time studying Psychology, I learned about the Reductionist scientific view of neurology. If you are unfamiliar with Reductionism, it is simply the idea that complex systems can be understood by observing the reactions of the individual components, and that a system is nothing more than the sum of its parts. With that viewpoint, the scientific understanding of the brain is that all the processes, thoughts, desires, impulses, etc., are ultimately the result of random chemical processes. Since you are an atheist, I assume you are also a materialist (you don’t believe in spirits, or God, or anything outside the material universe). And if you are a materialist, by default, you must be a reductionist.
So my query to you is this: if your ideas, knowledge, scientific understandings, and necessity of proof, are all the result of a mindless, random chemical process, then why should you believe your own ideas? If they’re random in nature, and you are just the sum of these random processes, how can you accept your own ideas about the universe as being logical and intelligent? How to you prove the logical intelligibility of the universe; or the logical intelligibility of your own mind, for that matter?
. . .umm. Unsure. I think we likely ranted over some Post a while back - I never remove friends, even the difficult ones, because sometimes they’re the ones that need the most help.
But, hey, glad to be aboard:D
im going to walk the dog now and calm some nerves…with your brains i expect you to have that license by the time i return, as well as having built a plane from scratch out of nothing but cardboard and crazy glue mister!
well i would invite you to come visit, but christchurch is rattling like a motherfucker every couple of hours right now and my house isnt exactly fit to live in, so build a plane and come pick me up!
save my precious sanity!!
hey it took me hours to come up with that! felt it was time for a change :P
i havent been around the last week because of these stupid bastarding earthquakes that are ruining my nerves, and before that uni was mental busy. but now the uni has been somewhat flattened i have all the time in the world to debate till the cows come homw
Would I be out of line to ask to hear the other side , when you get around to it , I’ll open my email to you , I’m curious how a woman so smart undwinds and laughs and what she does on a Sat. afternoon ……to personal ?
Hardly. I’m an apathetic agnostic. But I’m interested in hinduism in an academic way.
Again, not all hindus believe in afterlife or reincarnation. Some believe that when you die, it’s all over. Kaput. The body is recycled into the “elements”, which can be interpreted as decomposition into organic matter and consciousness is lost.
Still, hinduism was instrumental in promoting the caste system, which you might have heard about. Though that’s becoming more and more irrelevant thanks to education and economic growth, the scars still live on. It was pretty bad, from what I’ve read.
Well thanks. Being as I am right now, at the epicentre of the hindu religion, it’s a completely different experience. It’s one thing reading stuff in a book and completely another to see it in practice.
Hindus don’t see hinduism as a religion either- more as a “way of life”.
There are fundamentalists and extremists here too but it’s not at all the majority view.
It’s pretty refreshing after years of christian slander.
Hey, how are you getting along? Sorry to hear about the redneck incident, all sounds a bit gruesome.
anyway, i stumbled on something the other day i think you may be interested in. just a little background; the person in this show is called Karl Pilkington, he was a radio producer for a show starring Ricky Gervais (the office creator), way before he was famous. anyway, he became famous for being very funny, mostly because he’s not very smart, and has a very interesting outlook on the world.
so this tv show is him trying to find out if intelligence makes you happy, how intelligent he is, and whether it matters. you have to remember that this was made by comedy lab, so it’s not a super serious documentary (it’s only 20 minutes long), but it is very sweet and a very interesting look into intelligence, from a point of view that is very rarely represented.
Maybe it is more like the classic case of “if your told to do something you don’t want to do it”?
Usually found in children but adults can get it from time to time, you have been told to make another one and because of that it has lost it’s juice..
I do like a good nonsense shittalking session every now and then, is good to relax and laugh and not feel like you’re being judged on your intelligence, which is how I always feel in a room full of intellectuals.
or maybe I’m just one of the arrogant pretentious ones and conversing with people who think the Earth is flat gives me an ego boost…
though it is nice to talk to people who don’t look at you like you’re an alien when you start waffling on about varying skull sizes amongst early humans!
Dood im so there!
Though I suspect I have lowered my IQ by more than a few points after fully embracing my wild side for the last few years!
The only problem with the uber super smarts is that theyre usually really arrogant with the people skills of a wet sponge. Probably wouldnt make Saturday nights much fun =/
I must admit I am a tad more tactful in real life, cant have this face ruined by continual punches to the nose after all :P
I think we are a rare find…we really should start a new race on the moon and leave the less logical behind
I must say, I find your views and opinions extremely refreshing! Its so nice to speak to someone who deals in logic and rationale, rather than those floating around aimlessly at the whim of fickle emotions and gullible enough to believe some of the ridiculous crap i read here :P
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