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lairm
5 days, 21 hours ago, ShoutTrail

Hey, if you are still active on help.com I would greatly appreciate some legal advice. Would you please email me and we could chat?

Thanks either way and hugs to you friend! I hope all is well in your world.

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November_Rain
3 weeks, 4 days ago, ShoutTrail

Hey, Robben. Haven’t seen or heard from you in a while, think our paths must not be crossing on here. Just wanted to make sure you were still suckin’ air, as my father-in-law would say. Still kickin’, still alive, still not posting things of your own…. ;)

How are you, really?

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Deftonian
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

Awesome :) Thanks for opening up your email, I’ll drop you a line sometime. This place won’t be the same without you! I am excited for you though. I’m like that - can’t sleep the night before a big event. Leads to lots of exhaustion, hehe. Good luck today and with your move there. You can give me mini Chinese Mandarin lessons over our email letters. I’ve always wanted a free tutor! :P

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Deftonian
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

Obviously there is no ‘one’ for anyone. Just many people of billions who fit the bill. I agree with your point about monogamy as well, but I don’t know. I say that I don’t think humans are naturally monogomous but I can’t imagine sharing someone. I guess that is the selfishness in me. I am just enjoying my time being on my own. If you can be comfortably happy on your own, that’s a good sign.

I understand all too well what you mean by the way, with the restlessness, and feeling the mediocrity of life sink in. I had that crisis not too long ago - well it came to a head but it’s in constant motion. I fear I am tied to this place now that I’be had Dexter. The thought worries me more than I can say. The people who can be content never venturing beyond their hometown suffer from the IIB (ignorance is bliss) syndrome. Even before I moved here I longed to see the world. Ki can’t imagine being like them either. What a watse to not see the world.

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morosemanthy
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

Haven’t heard from them yet, they extended the deadline, so I will let you know when and if anything happens :) and that’s pretty cool. Don’t go to any strip clubs there, they’re sketchy… But otherwise have fun haha! :P

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morosemanthy
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

Hey there :) I know this is random, but I just like to check in with people :P I haven’t been on in a while so I thought I would just drop a line.. Or 3

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Deftonian
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

I do imagine you as this suave, sophisticated lady killer. But in saying that I imagine myself as more than the sum of my parts, so you can’t really blame me ;)

It means you are a catch and since you are single therr MUST be something amiss. Finding a lover is our long-term preoccupation, so to consider your self or career above that need is not so commonly heard of. It confuses people, doesn’t it? I guess we ladies do get crazy the older we get. It’s that darned biological clock I mentioned a while ago. Makes us do the darndest things to secure a future.

Not much of a hermit these days. Since I bought my new baby carrier I’m oyt everywhere, walking aimlessly in town and blowing all my money on baby shit that I don’t need, lol. Been playing my new bass here and there, reading self-help books. I’m quite the single mother stereotype in that regard. Next on my list: “Men Are From Mars, Women Are From Venus” lol.

Oh good luck with your flight! I am excited for you too. I can only imagine how it feels to be embarking upon this venture. I sincerely wish you all the best with it. It’ll be a life changer, that’s for certain.

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Deftonian
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

Oh and by my post I meant the abortion one.

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Deftonian
1 month ago, ShoutTrail

I logged off after my last reply to you so it’s all good. Did you have a good weekend? Did you get multiple ladies making a pass at you? I didn’t do much. I actually spent my weekend sorting out my finances. How boring. I have a reply to add to my post as well, which I’ll get around to once I have a computer again. Which might be a while since I’m building it myself. That’ll be interesting.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

I didn’t expect you to pounce on it immediately lol

That sucks I’m spam.

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lairm
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Hey Rob,

May I call you Rob? Rob, My sabatical is going well. Lots of changes. I suppose it’s a change time in my life, makes sense with the moving and all. I’ve run into more less than desirable treatment from the “self proclaimed Christians” and it has me down again. I can’t help but notice that interactions with them, whenever I ask for help or extend my hand in need, get’s slapped back with judgement, anger and hate, in whatever form they are used to dishing out. I wanted to be one of those people who stayed connected and had a heart for that group but it’s as if they are tossing me out on my ars for having doubt, for asking questions, for being willing to take a look at what’s around outside of them.

I think the answer is to just leave all together until I don’t need them anymore. Well, emotionally and all don’t need them anymore. they are not there for me or seem to care in any way. Or at least they lack developed skills to show it. Almost like children emotionally. And I’m not referencing anyone on this site, i’m referencing people in my life outside of help.com. People that I thought were friends there.

Oh well, the venere was so thin anyway. that’s why I even thought to question. It’s just difficult to let go of an emotional crutch. I guess that’s all it ever was.

Either way, on to living. That’s all spilled milk now.

How are things? would love to stay in touch. Please to email. You had mentioned you would send your email. I totally understand if you don’t want to do that too and wont fault you for it and just keep in touch on help.com.

Hugs! Sending you all the best!

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Deftonian
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Yep. It is yeast from rice mixed with water. It is a traditional Japanese drink but you probably could find Chinese knock-offs easily enough. Dexter is great, thanks for asking :) Yes high spirits all round here. Things are going pretty well for a change.

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Deftonian
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Haha, but yes! You don’t want to be in the throngs of a repeated Chernobyl disaster with bronchitus. Bad combo. I was going to recommend sake, but that is Japanese. Oh well, it’s all the same right? Too dark? ;)

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Deftonian
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Air pollution there is terrible, or so I have been told but my research confirmed it. Also, India now have seeker missiles that can target Beijing. Look at me being paranoid right?

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Deftonian
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Whatever you do, just stay out of Beijing.

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Deftonian
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Hey! Yeah I’ve been very busy as of late, not had much time for internet perusing but I had to come back on here because I remembered you will be leaving for Singapore soon right? If you haven’t already that is. How’ve you been?

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lairm
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Hey send an email I’ll said you a number. Would love to chat it up. Could really get in-depth about some of this religion stuff and such.

Hope your day is well.

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lairm
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Hey, I’m off. If you do my name is SpeakingLove

Catch ya laters. : )

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lairm
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Do you have skype?

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lairm
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Hey just stopped by to send someone an email. Hope all is well in your world.

Hugs!

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windmills,
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

I actually quoted Clarence Darrow in a speech I gave for another class about why the death penalty is morally wrong and was going to use him again this time around. I believe the case we will be focusing on is Furman v. Georgia.

I’ll be sure to take everything you said into account when preparing our argument. I cannot thank you enough.

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windmills,
1 month, 1 week ago, ShoutTrail

Hey Robben, I’m participating in mock trial in a couple weeks in which my group and I will be arguing against the death penalty. I thought since you are most likely very familiar with the arguments for and against the death penalty you could briefly share the argument(s) I should attempt to drive home that shows capital punishment is wrong. Also, what would you say is the most threatening counter-argument that would weaken any argument for the abolition of the death penalty?

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moonlightsupper
1 month, 2 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I loved reading what you wrote about your mentee. Sometimes we need that special person to give us the helping hand we need in a certain area of life. I’ve always believed that, there’s always someone. Your involvement not only helped him but I also believe has set an example for him to follow and apply should he come across kids like him when he is older. How beautiful is that?

Im glad you are OK Tony and please don’t forget Moon when you are busy working and sun bathing in the Far East ;)

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moonlightsupper
1 month, 2 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Well congratulations! Doesn’t sound like a lot of time to prepare, but then again, I bet you ain’t got the same number of shoes and handbags as I do :)

I dread to think how much you are dealing with right now and the worst part are the ‘little annoying things’ that you never thought of, like an old teddy bear from school (I sure hope you haven’t got one!)- what do you do with that? leave him behind?

Are you literally moving your entire life as in taking the furniture and everything you own or are you somewhat starting fresh with a furnished abode?

Im still in between work. I am waiting for a response from the youth offender’s service and hoping that will workout. Im actually doing OK, I manage to keep myself busy and entertained. Its a very different life to the jet-setting career woman I used to be. Sometimes, I look back and laugh at how my life turned out; almost as though orchestrated for my good. I hope your move will turn out the same.

How are you getting on with your mentee? have you broken the news to him yet?

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renglems
1 month, 2 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

aha … No problem :)

it says :

Muhammad(pbuh) is the messenger of Allah

Thanks for your time …

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moonlightsupper
1 month, 2 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Hi Tony, I was thinking about you yesterday :) Im really well thank you. Had a busy week and spent most this weekend on domestic chores :( How are you? When are we going to Singapore? :) Lol, seriously though has a decision been made yet? and most importantly, how are you feeling buddy? Here’s a special [Sunday Hug] just for you.

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Angie.
1 month, 2 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Thank you for taking the time to look at it,its much appreciated. :)
I do hope she gets herself sorted out soon.

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Angie.
1 month, 2 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

http://help.com/post/584940-i-got-a-p…

Could you please help my friend out here,Robben?

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Angie.
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Thankyou. :)

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Angie.
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Care to be friends,Robben?

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. . .
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

(Sometimes my fingers just don’t work well with the keypad).

Clarification revision:
- you will find the upcomming ‘progressive’ generation, carrying the torch you once held, *NOT quite in the way you would appreciate it.

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. . .
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I’ve considered myself Christian from a very young age, through that time I became very serious and turned a critical eye toward my own faith, thinking if there really is a better way, really better, in follow through, execution, dynamics, performance- etc and all the dialsys involved, why not go with it? I look into (loosely speaking) other religions (some more indepth, other not so, others yet a walk-by), and into metaphysics, new-ageism and a heavy delv into philosophy. But, to coin a phrase, I came back home.
Even as a Christian, at an early time, I flat out believed in abortion. I really did. I can tell you, that I had a high regard for humanity, a pity for those in dire circumstance and a near hate for pro-lifers. I based my judgement of the abortion issue on what was presented to me by the socitial concerns of rape, incest, and life of the female.
However, due to the power of the progressives of our society, a vast unreserved field of unrestrained recreation sex has more than just come into light. With that came a great widening of the terms, allowances and conditions used for abortion. Then came a widening of WHEN an abortion can be allowed (fetal growth concerns). The back alleys became a tent, the tents into camps, and the camps into industry, industry into the facilitation of death machines at all cost for the sake of money. ANd now, with the ever-increasing and blatient socitial mentality of entitlement I do not believe in, so much as one whit of abortion, right back down to the very foundational root which defined it’s allowance, in the begining. To me, the evil of rape, incest and circumstance in regard to life of the female has been fully outweighed by the wickedness of everything I described in the above.
Not to include, as being a Bible reading Christian, God honestly does hate abortion as stated in Holy text regardless of His own killings that appears to make Him two-faced (but that is a seperate issue under discussion between us). Nonetheless, even the concept of abortion is not specific to just our time and day. It was out of context and controll even in times longs past.
I know you consider yourself atheist, Robbin. With that, does come liberalism. As you become older, with a regard to more or a specific consertive issue you will find the upcomming ‘progressive’ generation carrying the torch, you once held, in quite the way you would appreciate it.
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If only humans didn’t abuse God’s justification to commit atrocity as well.
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Well. . . We’ll iron out those precepts on the grid.

Thanks for comming by.

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lairm
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Hey, I’m off. It was great getting to know you. You will forever have my utmost respect.

Thank you HUGE for standing with me while I made my transition. I could never express in words what that meant to me and how much that helped.

I opened my email to you so if you want to send a hello that’s cool. I’ll log on here and there to chat with people that I can only access their email from here and just from time to time, overall, I’m focusing on the move for now and until, I don’t know when. Last year I took the whole summer off. This year I am doing homeschool and teaching Montessori curriculum so not sure I will have time with my littles now being older and I am hoping for one more.

Sending you hugs and many thanks!

I’ll really miss learning to really judge things correctly from talking with you. Now I’ll have to do my own work rather than having my awesome Professor Robben! I might just log on to debate something with you to practice that whole socratic method thing.

Oh, and I’m over the whole Christian thing now so no worries whatever they say anymore. I realized today it is a cult and now I understand what you meant by my mind being free’d from a prison. I had one more shedding of tears as I ripped the band- aid all the way off today. Now it doesn’t hurt anymore what they say, I see it in perspective. I left the LDS or rather Mormon’s before this. I thought Christianity would be a great way to hold onto some beliefs. I always knew ’something’ wasn’t right, but couldn’t put my finger on it and was to desperate, at the time, for relationships that I didn’t want to do anything to rock the boat. Now I say Rock that F**’n Boat!!! It was a jail from day one and I KNEW it. Inside I knew it, I felt it at least. That’s part of why I give great heed to feelings. I have ‘felt’ every truth and realization I have had before I’ve ever known it. Not that you were denying that or anything. Just say’n

Thank you for wording things as you did about morality. I’m gonna have to let that sink in cause it changes my mind just to consider it how you put it. I’m very sensitive and jump to emotions as my first thought. Working on that and at the same time I love that about myself. I say that because for the first time I am proud of who I am and how I present to the world. Sure I’ve got stuff to work on and I’m finally proud and happy to be ME!

Hugs Robben!!! See you in Hell! : D

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lairm
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Yea, I suppose I could look up research papers by a few people and site them. I’ve looked at them, just don’t use the info for anything in particular so don’t keep em on hand. I don’t think you are as removed from feelings in your debate as you state. You just have a way to say it that makes it look that way. Personal opinion of course and feel free to say I’m wrong.

I think it best I stay out of it cause I really don’t remember all the facts and figures as you guys do. You guys could copy and paste that into an e-booklet for people contemplating such an act so that they can get as much info as they can on it.

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Irshad.alia.kh
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

THANK YOU MR ROBBEN.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Right. None of us are qualified to sit on the Throne of Judgment.

We don’t like and don’t agree with the judgment call we think God might make concerning US because because we KNOW we fall short and we don’t want to repent because we feel we’re good enough as is and the criteria to get into heaven should be according to US (so we can make it in and circumvent God). That’s where you’ll hear stuff “I don’t agree with a God who lets murderers repent.” So what if a murderer can have a change of heart? Wouldn’t you like to be afforded a change of heart when YOU do wrong? Oh, wait….you do no wrong and you never hurt anyone with your words or actions. Never. Got it.

It all goes back to what I was saying about none of US being qualified to judge. We would give ourselves all the passes and everyone else would suffer our wrath. No thank you lol

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I believe there are more guilty people on the streets than innocent people in prison. We can agree on that.

But that’s about where we part ways in agreement. The system is corrupt.

Let’s not even talk about other countries with their archaic, barbaric justice.

I still stand in saying that there’s not one human being on the face of this earth qualified to pass down judgment on anyone else’s eternity.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

You actually believe that, don’t you? lol

Wow.

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lairm
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Rabbits and eggs…

My understanding is that the Christian holidays were merged with the pagan holidays to create more “connection” with the pagans of the time. To make it more acceptable. Encourage more conversion and make it more comfortable for people to do such…

Here found this…

http://voices.yahoo.com/how-explain-e…

This is basically what I was told too.

Haven’t researched this one greatly but that’s what they told me at youth group one time when I was 14.

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lairm
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I like seeing to great minds talking something out. I don’t feel I have a place in the debate because I express my facts in different ways. Feelings are facts, they are biological expressions. When we eat something those molecular structures cause emotional responses as they connect with receptors in the body. Receptors that are there because feelings are just as much who we are as anything else. When we meet people our bioelectrical fields converse and affect each other so it is a huge part of any circumstance.

I suppose I am not sure how to discuss something without it and I don’t believe for one second that anyone ever does. But that is a separate debate so I haven’t really said anything.

I’m not saying you two are being hostile and I just realized that I might have come across that way. I apologized to def, and I would like to do so for you because I was having a really off day yesterday. Had just had a heated discussion about some family situations that have been lingering for years. Things that almost broke me and my husband up. We are great now as I mentioned, we just finally had the stability in our relationship to be able to air out some things that we have put aside for this very time.

I am enjoying the conversation between you two and taking it in. I am more confused because I see feelings in a lot of what both of you say so I am stepping back until I can get a good idea of the rules of engagement and then I would jump in. I think it is a simple case of having the same words for the same thing that is being described. You know what I mean.

Hope your day is fabulistitastic. Yes I just said fabulistitstic. I love my emotions!

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1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I’m a decade plus older. I believe I may too.
I suppose we will.
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Will address topics you mentioned in the other post a bit later.
Brain is a bit tired atm.

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1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

It’s a shame neither of us are likely to live long enough to see if that happens though.
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I wouldn’t be so sure of that. The doomsayers of the past which shake the carboard sign “The End Is Near,” really are laughable to an extent, but their spiritual concerns are ones I deeply respect.
The wars and political surgence that regatherd Isreal back to their homeland after so many thousands of years is considered to be the benchmark that sets the stopwatch of the end-times. If it bears any creedence, the Bible states:
“This generation shall not pass before these things happen.” The generation, in this case, is the generation of people as marked by Isreals’ refounding. So, those people who were born, roughly, in 1948. Since that time, many people of that time have died, but as you can calculate, many are still alive. The last person of that age will not die before the prophecy of the ‘end’ will come to pass.
“The End,” in this case is not extinction, or the horrible series of events to come, but an end of the ways of man as we understand, today, and the begining of a new era entirily. A new dynasty.

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1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

- but why allow Islam to break off as it did?
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Honestly, I don’t have all the facts, nor am I spiritually informed well enough to deliver a worthy answer. Your question actually belongs to God. IDK.
The Arab world does have a heavy populous. And some of it decends from Persian/Asian lines. How God intends to infleuence or deal with these nations is a mystery I am not privvy to, but I do know that, somehow, there is some good to it because God has blessed and multiplyed them. I think some of the bottom line could be this. . .
The validity of Christ the Messiah is promoted through Christians and even awakened Jews. There’s something to be said and even believed by that. Now, as with any time that is given to anything, times may come to a close. Few in this age are stirred by such news from the Christian/Judaeo realm. BUt it is considered that the Jews are Gods choosen people. I am a Christian - a Jew by adoption. When God begins to deal with the Arab nations, (a people directly related to Isreal), I believe a great awakening to Christ on their part is going to happen. This will cause a better lending of the ear when it comes to the Christ/Jesus message.
In the mean time, what appears to be small varients between the two faiths are not as small as first viewed. I’m not entirily patient for detail at this moment, but largely, there it is, in a nutshell.

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1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

- or practice.

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1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I was going to address your question:
Is the Christian/Judeo and Islamic God and Allah the same God? I just wanted to answer apart from the post, but some basic outline from other responants have reasonably answered.
If I were to include anything it would be this:
Yes and no. Following the family tree of Islam, they recognize Abraham as of course the Jews and Christians do. But, they (Islamist) do not like to revolve around certian issues, such as ‘Haggar’.
Sarah was Abraham’s wife. She couldn’t have kids, but later did. Haggar was Sarah’s Egyptian maid. She gave Haggar to Abraham to bed for the sake of children. This is where the line of Islamists begin.
Later, Sarah had Issacc. God blessed the line of Haggar but the promise of the Messiah would come through the line of Issacc. Given time the ‘branches’ widened and the precepts of God between the nations widened with it. This is why Christians do not believe in the Quaran. Though mostly agreeable when it comes to some point, the fundimental principals and character of God are very different in definitation.
Same God? In reality yes, but not by present definition.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

That IS the circumstance a lot of people find themselves in. All I can really say to that is that I am soooooooooo glad that no MAN (human) gets to dictate who goes to hell and who doesn’t.

NOBODY would make it into heaven because we would all send each other to hell. People will kill you for taking ‘their’ public parking spot. They’ll send you to hell for a whole lot less.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Short answers (because I can go too lol)

Birthday = people who have spent eons studying that stuff.

Did you know the nativity scene folks have on their lawns at Christmas is fundamentally incorrect? When the “wise men” found Jesus, He was 2 years old, and living in an apartment. Not laying in a manger in the open air as a newborn.

Difference between Jews & everyone else= none now, generally speaking. “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” Galatians 3:28

*quick fact = God offered salvation to the Jews first, when they rejected it, He opened the gates for all who would come.

Does seem odd that God has a chosen people but the real difference isn’t in Salvation (offered to everyone) but in the heavenly hierarchy after the second coming.

It’s a lot of stuff, man. I understand WHY people have the questions they do and there are no easy answers. It really does take a lot of study to even begin to get a picture. As I said, I still have questions about some of the things I read. My faith is solid, but I’m still learning things. I’ll be learning till my casket drops.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

Jesus was born in July.

Besides, Bibically speaking ALL the observances that God commanded were for the JEWS. I ain’t a Jew lol

Biblically speaking, birthday celebrations are pagan in origin (pagan meaning non-Christian)

The commercialization is just a natural progression of us wanting to party and/or make a profit from it.

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michele_lee_perry
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

I decided not to hijack Snar’s post because he’s happy and I don’t want to make a dent in that.

Easter is a pagan holiday adopted by the Catholic church. Generally speaking, ALL of the recognized holidays have their roots in pagan rites and rituals, including Christmas. The church historically attempts to “Christianize” these rites and celebrations by throwing Jesus in there somewhere. *eye roll*

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lairm
1 month, 3 weeks ago, ShoutTrail

OH, I can be hostile? Hmmm, I might have to revisit in that case. I suppose I I need some clarity on what is acceptable and what isn’t before I would jump in.

LOL, now there’s a book idea!! I’ll see what I can do. : D

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