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What are the qualities that you don’t like about yourself? List all that you can here: perhaps I can help you.

[quote red fox][quote MarlinTheFish]going back to the deaths from the iraq war… by not taking into consideration ALL the deaths in the conflict, you are doing two things… You are saying those deaths do not count as part of the tragedy of war. AND you are skewing your “facts” to influence others to take your position.
no..YOU are saying that those deaths do not count as part of the tragedy of war. The original argument made no statements about ALL the deaths related to the war…it was specific to US citizens. the argument didn’t also include all of the people that died from falling out of a tree…are you trying to imply that because the argument didn’t state that, that all of those deaths don’t count either?

Plus, if you include ALL of the deaths associated with the war, then you have to include ALL of the deaths associated with alcohol….but that’s a different argument and different facts.

The facts aren’t skewed, they are facts. She’s just using WAR as a power word to give it meaning…

[quote MarlinTheFish] the reason that people oppose war isn’t because their soldiers die; its goes way beyond that figure.[/quote]

This is true…but this argument is not for them…the argument is for people who oppose war ONLY because AMERICAN CITIZENS die…THAT’S IT! Anything else is over-complicated the argument and adding to it.

If you’re concerned about other reasons why people oppose war, this argument doesn’t apply. If you’re concerned about people other than Americans, this argument doesn’t apply….if you’re concerned about other ways people die, this argument doesn’t apply…..it’s a factual statement, comparing 2 factual things. You can not say the argument IMPLIES anything…because you could make a million arguments based on what is NOT covered in the statement. You have to take it at face value:

We get upset when people die for no reason…
5k people died for no reason A over 8 years…
75k people die EACH year for no reason B…
One is a bigger number…

End of argument.[/quote]

Hallelujah.

I am not at all saying that those deaths do not count as part of the tragedy of war, that’s why I am done arguing about this, as people continue to put words where I haven’t. Just take a gander at an earlier arguement I had about the comparisons. I’m not making it again.

I never said that we shouldn’t let kids go swimming. By all means, they should. I am making a statement about disporportional evaluation of risks.

Anyway, I very well can discontinue this conversation with you. It is very much in my power to do so. It’s not a threat, it doesn’t hurt you in any way. I’m just plain tired of hearing the same things over and over again. Not because of this “LOGICAL” arguement you speak of, but because I’ve had my fill of this pointless confrontation. Even with my new comparisons, you are still trying to create an argument.

but your premise is wrong. a lot more than 5,000 people died in the iraq war. (if I’m not mistaken.) unless of course you are defining people only as american soldiers. in which case… that is sad. [/quote]

That was a mistype, I meant to say of our soldiers, as I have stated in the topic sentence. As I was comparing two different sets of American losses. That doesn’t mean that other human losses are less important, but that wasn’t my original point of comparison.

And of course it’s more socially acceptable. Just take a look through this post.

However, I will not argue with you any further, because it will just snowball into a conversation that I do not want to be a part of.

Here redfox sums up exactly what I meant for this post:

[quote red fox]I think the point Lady is trying to make is directed at those who specifically complain about going to war because the men and women of the US are killed, when each year, they cause more damage to themselves by drinking, which does not serve any purpose whatsoever, does not embrace the US ideals of freedom, and is not a dignified death.

She’s saying that people think war is a cause of senseless death, when alcohol alone causes more than 15 times the amount of senseless deaths per year (for the US in particular). Her point is that you could save more American lives by better controlling alcohol abuse than controlling war and those particular people should focus on the more prominent number regarding loss of US lives. Therefore, she’s wondering why we don’t focus our attention on the larger causes of death. Instead it seems like the US sweeps it under the carpet as unimportant, so that they can party…. [/quote]

If you are peeved about the comparison I used, then here are a few others you could compare in America:
There are 16,799 homicides a year… but there are 112,000 Obesity related deaths each year. But we worry a lot more about strangers killing us than some french fries.
About 30 children die accidently of a gunshot each year… but there are 1500 children who die by drowning every year. We freak out about guns near children, but let them go swimming all of the time.
About 100 children are abducted in non-family kidnappings, but 6,000 teens die a year from merely driving recklessly. But we are far more quick to make kids afriad of strangers than we are to teach them how really dangerous a car is.

None of this is meant to lessen how awful deaths in war, homicides, shooting, or kidnappings. They are still terrible things. But I am making the point that we tend to worry about or get angery about things that, in the long run, make a lesser statistical impact than things we barely even notice. People tend to overlook the danger of alcohol, or fatty foods, or swimming, or driving a car down the street. A lot of it has a lot to do with the selection of news reports. We hear a lot more about homicides and kidnapping and accidental shootings than we do about the other things, because who would watch the news when all was reported was people dying of heart disease?

[quote justinjohnsonsli]fun fact, i recently realized that if you define life as consciousness then sleep is a form of suicide and waking up a form of reincarnation. just a thought i have had fun with recently[/quote]

I think that is an interesting perspective. Though you are, in literal terms, still alive while you are asleep. As humans we often define only our waking life as part of our actual life, and sleeping as being something seperate from that, as that’s when our subconcious is at work. So, by those standards, we are ‘dead to the world’ when we are asleep, so to speak. And I also think that we should all treat awkaking into a new day as a sort of reincarnation, simply because perhaps. if we saw it in that light, we may be more inclined tolive life to it’s fullest.

[quote Coalesce]Dunno how your chosen university operates, but there is perhaps at most a 20% D-Bag/Frat-Sorority culture here. That leaves say 40% for the ueber-professionals that don’t have any other personality type in common except that they are all deadly serious, and another 40% for the Adorkable, Gawkward, Geek-Chic, etc… crowd. Smart is sexy, Music+Science=Sexy, and women are sexy sexy Von Neumann Machines. (Yes, I borrowed the last two from QuestionableContent.net and xkcd.com respectively)[/quote]
The school that I have been admitted into, and am going to be going to in August, I’ve heard is very much like that. I am quite excited for college. I feel that I will grow there and learn more than I have before.

[quote red fox]lol. No problem. It’s just over-complicating the issue…uh, snow-balling I think it’s called…when you start making additional arguments based off of 1 argument.

It’s just funny how things work, because instead of being like…holy ****! That’s a lot of people that die by alcohol related deaths….it shouldn’t be that high (which is what the argument is CLEARLY trying to get you to do)…they go….holy ****, we’re still fighting in wars? Let’s debate that….lol….silly folks:P[/quote]

EXACTLY. So many people missed the core point of my post and focused only on the war aspect of it… which actually completely proved my original point point. It’s more socially acceptable for tens of thousands of people to die alcohol related deaths than it is for 5 thousand people to die in war. That’s sad, to me.

Everybody is elsewhere, helping other people who are going to actually try to help themselves. Perhaps from this you’ll learn that very little people stick around for people who destroy their life with alcohol or any other drug.

[quote justinjohnsonsli]fun fact, i recently realized that if you define life as consciousness then sleep is a form of suicide and waking up a form of reincarnation. just a thought i have had fun with recently[/quote]

I plan to respond to this in full in a few, but I have to run to the store. I shall be back with a more satisfactory answer to this.

[quote Anonymous]Im the male in this not the female. Just deciding to make that extra step or not based on what you all say. I guess that brings up a counter argument though. What if you’re reasoning is not pure logic and more emotionally driven (fear, insecurity, etc)?[/quote]

Your reasoning in this situation shouldn’t be emotionally driven. Love may play a big part in relationships, but for it to be a healthy one, so does logic. And if fear or insecurity plays into it, then you have your answer in that you most certainly shouldn’t be in the relationship/

[quote justinjohnsonsli]google translator is going to prevent me from ever taking the time to learn a second language.[/quote]

I took spanish for two years, and barely know three words of the language now. Where my mind works well with history, sociology, english, and calculous, it does not do so with foriegn languages.

[quote Coalesce]I think it the RAWK! :) Seriously though, you’re definitely university bound and it’s definitely hot when a lady-friend can keep up or out-pace.[/quote]

Well thank you kindly. I like knowing people who respond possitivly to extreme nerdiness ;)

I even have it written down in front of me and I didn’t type them correctly. lol

[quote Coalesce]Lol, alles ist gut! Ich habe kein Recht fuer berichtung. Mein Deutsch ist noch sehr schlecht :)[/quote]

There has never been a time in which I’ve wanted to be able to speak German as much as I do right now. lol

oops. Yes, it appears I mispelled those… *facepalm*

[quote justinjohnsonsli]can you give me a very brief description? couple sentences would do.[/quote]

I am reanalyizing Geneinschaft and Gesellchaft. The way I was taught, Geneinschaft societies center around relationships, while Gesellchaft societies center around need. However, I am currently reworking that theory and, instead of analyzing them as two different sets of society, as instead being simply two different ways that humans create to service to human need that become decided by what their economy centers around.