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[quote Anonymous][quote Richard Cor de Lyon]
I understand your point Anon… but I’m not speaking from a strictly socio/economic perspective here. The women that agree with it still have a feeling of there softer, nuturing side. They know that they feel, and they know men don’t (as much). They know they can think circles around men, because men think in a VERY linear way… Like it or not, I believe women are getting tired of being “equal” to men[/quote]

I don’t believe that is true. I’ve encountered nothing to suggest that there are any significant inherited differences between the genders. Probably the greatest differences between genders are those created by parents and culture. Deciding how to treat people based on premature and unproven conclusions of how the should be treated is a sure fire recipe to harming someone.[/quote]

Wow… no inherited differences between genders? That is why there is two genders not one; because of the differences. Men have a penis… women do not. Women have larger breasts and functioning mammary glands… men do not… neither do men give birth to babies (thank God)… the differences between the genders are pages long. Primary to the differences are estrogen and testosterone… These hormones do not only influence the body, but the brain and our emotional lives as well.

I think the first reply had the best question; what’s this story about? Even this overly descriptive paragraph, has no meaning to the reader. I don’t want to be harsh, but you asked - I didn’t like your intro. It was to me, sicking sweet in terms of description. Sometimes (often) less is more.

Pepper is right… and if you have kids and live in California… don’t expect a real fast divorce.

I believe there is a spiritual revolution happening today. The spiritual nature of the human race is being reviewed and reconfigured. For every atheist that is created there is a theist created, maybe even two. The fact that dogma and doctrine are falling to the wayside in some regard is not surprising.

lol…no I’m divorced :)

[quote Richard Cor de Lyon]Shoot your spouse.

The divorce of this nature is very fast, but is not without consequences.[/quote]

I’m just kidding of course ;)

Shoot your spouse.

The divorce of this nature is very fast, but is not without consequences.

Happy Birthday Dani… gotta luv ya

[quote Je ne sais pa]Well i love being a woman.i know i’m not a man.and no i dont lift weights with the guys to prove i can .but yes woman are the supreme side of humanity i know we are your goddesess you man couldng live or breath without us.[/quote]

In MANY ways I would agree with this statement. I think men are inferior to women is many ways.

[quote Je ne sais pa] i’m a woman and i love being the way i am.i work out not to compete with the guys but for health reason though i can beat anyguy lol.well with a bat that is;)… its ok to be a man and open the doors and yet help with changing the diapers and us woman its ok to let the guy get the check or bring home the bacon which i love and yet be a working mom to we just hav to learn to APPRECIATE the other and cookies rule the world all else toodles[/quote]

I agree. I’ve never said there were not good things that came out of the Feminist movement there were, but much of it was taken over the top too.

[quote ♥Rαvєr♥]Ugh, I believe in everything you’ve said Richard… Men are men and women are women. I don’t believe that women were neccessarily looked down upon or seen as “weaker” as a whole. Its just stupid feminazi’s going over the top… and your right its ruined many peoples attitudes towards relationships and the way society works. Its such a shame its all gone out the window.

Where are all the gentlemen gone? and when you find one…they are seen as a puff!!

…scuse all my terminoligy up there.. but its how things are said and thought off all too often and its wrong. I wish i’d lived a long time ago :([/quote]

Thank you for your input Raver … and that’s a good point about men too! There are two type of men out there today. There is the men that over compensate for being emasculated by the women in their life, and they become the disrespectful bafoons that build “man-caves”. Then there is the other emasculated men that are codependent to the first strong woman that can tell him what to do. OK, I’m painting with a broad brush, excuse me… of course there are those that are in between. But the real man was the one of honor, integrity, power, and was not afraid to cherish and adore a woman.

[quote Anonymous]I can’t believe even women are buying this. You know what the ONLY result of treating people differently based on their gender is? One gender is treated inferior to the other. There is no such thing as different but equal. There is no such thing as separate but equal. The only thing the past has to offer us in regards to gender issues is the record of our mistakes and how they were overcome. There is only equal.[/quote]

I understand your point Anon… but I’m not speaking from a strictly socio/economic perspective here. The women that agree with it still have a feeling of there softer, nuturing side. They know that they feel, and they know men don’t (as much). They know they can think circles around men, because men think in a VERY linear way… Like it or not, I believe women are getting tired of being “equal” to men

[quote Victoria Sponge]I am a girly girl but it is soooooo hard I cannot be my boyfriends mother I cannot work 9 hours a day then come home and cook clean wash and generally look after him. Now if I didn’t have to work for a living I would love nothing better than looking after my man but I have to work and I am not superwoman I do not have the energy to do it all so he can massage his manly ego with sports and beer and the guys. How do you find a healthy balance?[/quote]

Well, Victoria… while I’m glad you are a girly girl, I sure would NOT encourage you to be your boyfriends mom. When a man has a “mom” as a partner he gets very lazy, and nearly abusive in terms of a loving, respectful relationship. But that is a valid issue you raise. Many women do have to work these days. I think we all need some time to decompress after a work day…men and women both. After work take the time for yourself… take a bubble bath if you will. Your man will be very grateful for a sweet smelling, soft woman that is wanting to spend time with him… of course that means he needs to decompress too. That does not mean he get to be a cave-man, but the time to shower perhaps and fix somethings around the house. Any woman that reads this knows men are fixers, right? Women cannot even talk to a man about a problem without them needing to fix it for her. That’s his ego and in many ways hard-wiring. As much a men might complain about a “Honey-do list”, it FAR better than “nagging”, and men secretly like to help out.

First psyche yourself into thinking you are a scholar, that shouldn’t be too hard since this is for your thesis. Read only in a place and time that is conducive to you attention. Then read the book with an “active reading” style … don’t just read it.

well… you didn’t tell us how old you are… but with all your issues, I’d say your not ready for a committed relationship even if you’re 50; NO - love is not enough in a relationship. There is trust, communication, honor, integrity, allowance, appreciation, gratitude, and a whole bunch of other WORK. The qualities you listed are: afraid of commitment (that’s a big one), afraid of rejection, and confusion… doesn’t sound like it’s starting off too well.

I am speaking to equality… in the sense that so very little in this world is equal. I think it is time to start relishing our differences… rejoicing in our diversity… loving the man or woman God created (or we evolved ;) us to be. I so much want to be a man… to be that protector, that provider, that worshiper of the sublime… is there a woman out there that wants that?

Good to see your post Fizz… alot happening on my end, too much for this space :) I hope you are doing well - it would seem that you are.

Thank you Tic for your very well presented reply. Alexis De Tocqueville was a 19th century political historian, so I’m not sure how relevant his thoughts are in this case - I’m relatively sure that quote was altered to add “(and women)”. As a Victorian aged man, I’m sure his views of women were quite narrow.

Yes, things change socially, and politically - not always for the best - but always well intentioned at the time. Of course the suffrage movement was necessary and “Rosie the Riveter” was needed and definitely started changing things for women. Even the Feminist movement to allow for equal opportunity and wages in the work force was a great thing. Roe v Wade was a double edged sword that cut deep both ways, even till today. The fact remains however no matter how much we are “equal” socially or politically, we are different; I have more testosterone, she has more estrogen - and they work very differently in our bodies. We can pour a bunch of apples into a an orange bin… mix it up, and I’ll still be able to pick out the apples from the oranges. And amazingly… even after you pour the apples in with the oranges… the apples don’t want to change to become oranges. Someone will have to teach me this trick of being different and equal at the same time. To my feeble mind the definition of different and equal are antonyms. Are you saying we can easily be men or women, and yet be the same politically… of course we can. I am not disputing that women do not have the right to vote… or that women can or cannot to this or that. I will allow any girl to her chance to play football with the guys or fly fighter jets (if she has the ability) I do not believe in hindering women of opportunities… but at the end of the day when she comes home to me, will she be a woman, or will she be a killer? One will attract me as a man, the other will be repel me as a man. But a man or a women thinking they can be equal to their opposite gender is a fallacy, at least without hormone enhancements.

There was a time not too long ago when the Bakers profession was dominated by men - there are still a good number of male bakers that make a pretty good wage.